[Retired] Presents

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  1. Santa Claws

    Santa Claws Santa Claus

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    EDIT: A big fat update. Pastebin is also now updated too, I see it caused some confusion since it wasn't before.

    I appreciate the feedback from everyone so far it's been very helpful and I think I've fixed up the code mostly so please let me know if any errors persist.

    V 2.9
    {
    "name": "Presents",
    "silentVote": true,
    "author": "Santa Claws",
    "summary": "Deep in the workshop in the midst of the holiday season, a certain Santa Claus is informed that his elves have accidentally wrapped some bad gifts! Now he must search through the contents of the gifts before they get sent and it's too late! (All forms of feedback should be directed to Santa Claws.)",
    "sides": [
    {
    "side": "village",
    "translation": "Team Christmas",
    "winmsg": "*** Santa and the good presents successfully got rid of all the bad gifts in time! ~Players~ (Team Christmas) win!"
    },
    {
    "side": "mafia1",
    "translation": "Bad Gifts",
    "winmsg": "*** The bad gifts have successfully been sent! ~Players~ (Bad Gifts) win!"
    },
    {
    "side": "clothes",
    "translation": "Clothes",
    "winmsg": "*** Clothes for everyone! Hooray! ~Players~ (Clothes) win!"
    },
    {
    "side": "conspirator",
    "translation": "Conspirator"
    },
    {
    "side": "werewolf",
    "translation": "The Dark Warrior",
    "winmsg": "*** ~Players~ won? Well good for them. They probably needed that to get through the day."
    },
    {
    "side": "godfather",
    "translation": "Stupid Kid",
    "winmsg": "*** The Spoiled Brat has successfully torn every gift to shreds. How selfish of them. ~Players~ (Stupid Kid) wins!"
    }
    ],
    "roles": [
    {
    "role": "inspector",
    "translation": "Elf-in-a-Box",
    "side": "village",
    "help": "You fell asleep during gift making and fell into one of the boxes! Use /peek to discover the contents of a present during the night!",
    "info": "Can inspect one person during the night. Sided with Team Christmas.",
    "actions": {
    "night": {
    "peek": {
    "command": "inspect",
    "target": "AnyButSelf",
    "common": "Self",
    "priority": 99,
    "broadcast": "none"
    }
    }
    }
    },

    {
    "role": "villager",
    "translation": "Present",
    "side": "village",
    "help": "You are one of the real presents that is supposed to be sent to a lucky boy or girl! Vote to unwrap a present during the day!",
    "info": "Sided with Team Christmas.",
    "actions": {}
    },

    {
    "role": "miller",
    "translation": "Stockings",
    "side": "village",
    "help": "You are one of the real presents that is supposed to be sent to a lucky boy or girl! Vote to unwrap a present during the day!",
    "info": "Inspected as Coal. Sided with Team Christmas.",
    "actions": {
    "inspect": {
    "revealAs": "mafiavillager"
    },
    "startup": {
    "revealAs": "villager"
    },
    "lynch": {
    "convertTo": "mafiamayor",
    "convertmsg": "The gifts agreed that ~Self~ was bad after they received ~Count~ votes, so they randomly decided to fill them with coal for fun. Unfortunately the Stockings kept all the coal, giving them 3 votes, and went over to join the Bad Gifts."
    }
    }
    },

    {
    "role": "mafiamayor",
    "translation": "Coal Stockings",
    "side": "mafia1",
    "help": "You are now the leader of the coals, and have 3 votes!",
    "info": "Vote counts as 3. Sided with Bad Gifts.",
    "actions": {
    "vote": 3,
    "inspect": {
    "revealAs": "mafiavillager"
    },
    "startup": "team-reveal-with-roles"
    }
    },

    {
    "role": "antimayor",
    "translation": "Jack-in-the-Box",
    "side": "village",
    "help": "You are a classic Christmas gift, but sometimes you scare the daylights out of children. I don't know how this is associated with your amount of votes, but you have -3. Try to make sure Santa isn't voted out!",
    "info": "Vote counts as -3. Sided with Team Christmas.",
    "actions": {
    "vote": -3
    }
    },

    {
    "role": "mafiabomb",
    "translation": "Bomb",
    "side": "mafia1",
    "help": "If Santa tries to unwrap you he will find a nice surprise! Be careful! You are the only way Santa Claus can be removed from the game early!",
    "info": "Revenges day kills. Sided with Bad Presents.",
    "actions": {
    "daykill": "bomb",
    "daykillrevengemsg": "Ho ho holy St. Nicholas, a bomb! ~Target~ was blasted out of the workshop, an occurence that some elves call: unwrapping.",
    "startup": "team-reveal-with-roles"
    }
    },

    {
    "role": "mafiavillager",
    "translation": "Coal",
    "side": "mafia1",
    "help": "You are a giftwrapped lump of coal. You just want to be a present like the others, so you act like them and try to blend in. Vote to unwrap a present during the day, even though your vote is only worth .5 of a normal vote.",
    "info": "Sided with Bad Presents.",
    "actions": {
    "vote": 0.5,
    "startup": "team-reveal-with-roles"
    }
    },

    {
    "role": "mafia",
    "translation": "Fruit Cake",
    "side": "mafia1",
    "help": "It seems nowadays people need to giftwrap you in order to get rid of you. Anyways, use /unwrap during the night to unwrap a present. You weigh about the same as some coal, so the Elf-in-a-Box will think you are indeed coal too.",
    "info": "Inspected as Coal. Can kill one person during the night - shared. Sided with Bad Presents.",
    "actions": {
    "night": {
    "unwrap": {
    "command": "kill",
    "target": "AnyButTeam",
    "common": "Role",
    "priority": 60,
    "broadcast": "team"
    }
    },
    "inspect": {
    "revealAs": "mafiavillager"
    },
    "startup": "team-reveal-with-roles"
    }
    },

    {
    "role": "conspirator",
    "translation": "Letter",
    "side": "conspirator",
    "help": "You are a letter to Santa that somehow got wrapped up. What do you want from Santa? Let him know during the day with /expose! You can also write that you want something else instead such as an Elf (/elf), some Coal (/coal), a Bomb (/bomb), a Back Scratcher (/scratcher), a Fruit Cake (/fruitcake), or even yourself (/letter)! You sure do want some strange things for Christmas... Oh, you can /tape someone during the night (including yourself) really tight to keep them from getting unwrapped!",
    "info": "Can expose or fake-expose (as Elf-in-a-Box, Coal, Bomb, Back Scratcher, Present, or Letter) one person during the standby. Can protect one person during the night. Wins with anyone as long as it survives.",
    "winningSides": "*",
    "actions": {
    "standby": {
    "expose": {
    "target": "Any",
    "msg": "You can expose someone's role by typing /expose [name] (You won't be revealed!):",
    "exposemsg": "Dear Santa, all I want for Christmas is a ~Target~ the ~Role~!"
    },
    "elf": {
    "command": "expose",
    "target": "Any",
    "exposemsg": "Dear Santa, all I want for Christmas is a ~Target~ the Elf-in-a-Box!"
    },
    "coal": {
    "command": "expose",
    "target": "Any",
    "exposemsg": "Dear Santa, all I want for Christmas is a ~Target~ the Coal!"
    },
    "bomb": {
    "command": "expose",
    "target": "Any",
    "exposemsg": "Dear Santa, all I want for Christmas is a ~Target~ the Bomb!"
    },
    "scratcher": {
    "command": "expose",
    "target": "Any",
    "exposemsg": "Dear Santa, all I want for Christmas is a ~Target~ the Back Scratcher!"
    },
    "present": {
    "command": "expose",
    "target": "Any",
    "exposemsg": "Dear Santa, all I want for Christmas is a ~Target~ the Present!"
    },
    "letter": {
    "command": "expose",
    "target": "Any",
    "exposemsg": "Dear Santa, all I want for Christmas is a ~Target~ the Letter!"
    }
    },
    "night": {
    "tape": {
    "command": "protect",
    "target": "Any",
    "common": "Self",
    "priority": 52
    }
    }
    }
    },

    {
    "role": "godfather",
    "translation": "Spoiled Brat",
    "side": "godfather",
    "help": "You're that kid that just can't wait for Christmas to open all their presents.So now you're at the North Pole, in Santa's Workshop (which is really quite impressive in my opinion). How you got into the box will be forever a mystery. Use /unwrap to unwrap two gifts during the night, and use 2.5 votes to your advantage!",
    "info": "Can kill two people during the night. Sided with Stupid Kid. ",
    "actions": {
    "vote": 2.5,
    "night": {
    "unwrap": {
    "command": "kill",
    "target": "AnyButSelf",
    "common": "Role",
    "priority": 63,
    "broadcast": "none",
    "limit": 2
    }
    }
    }
    },

    {
    "role": "clothes",
    "translation": "Clothes",
    "side": "clothes",
    "help": "You were just minding your own business when all of a sudden your contents were viciously ripped out and replaced with clothes, everyone's favorite Christmas gift! At least you get 2 votes now, so use them wisely!",
    "info": "Vote counts as 2. Sided with Clothes.",
    "actions": {
    "vote": 2
    }
    },

    {
    "role": "cultist",
    "translation": "Ugly Sweater",
    "side": "clothes",
    "help": "Oh great, a sweater. Just what everyone wants for Christmas. Share the excitement with other presents as well by filling them with clothes in the night with /rewrap every other night! You also have 0 votes, so be careful!",
    "info": "Can convert one person every two nights. Sided with Clothes.",
    "actions": {
    "vote": 0,
    "night": {
    "rewrap": {
    "command": "convert",
    "target": "AnyButTeam",
    "common": "Self",
    "priority": 58,
    "newRole": "clothes",
    "silent": false,
    "recharge": 2,
    "convertmsg": "A gift has been emptied and filled with clothes instead!"
    }
    },
    "startup": "team-reveal"
    }
    },

    {
    "role": "turtleneck",
    "translation": "Ugly Turtleneck",
    "side": "clothes",
    "help": "Oh boy, a turtleneck. Just what everyone wants for Christmas. Be sure to support your cohort sweater with /tape to tape them really tight so nobody can unwrap them and use /unwrap to unwrap a present during the night! You also have 0 votes, so be careful!",
    "info": "Can protect one person during the night. Can kill one person during the night. Sided with Clothes.",
    "actions": {
    "vote": 0,
    "night": {
    "tape": {
    "command": "protect",
    "target": "AnyButSelf",
    "common": "Role",
    "priority": 52,
    "broadcast": "team"
    },
    "unwrap": {
    "command": "kill",
    "target": "AnyButTeam",
    "common": "Self",
    "priority": 59,
    "broadcast": "team"
    }
    },
    "startup": "team-reveal"
    }
    },

    {
    "role": "werewolf",
    "translation": "Back Scratcher",
    "side": "werewolf",
    "help": "You...will never be a memory. You were once a legendary Christmas gift but...BAHAHA I can't do this. Just unwrap someone during the day with /unwrap. You cannot be unwrapped during the night, and have 2.5 votes!",
    "info": "Can kill one person during the standby. Avoids all nightkills. Sided with The Dark Warrior.",
    "actions": {
    "vote": 2.5,
    "standby": {
    "unwrap": {
    "command": "kill",
    "target": "AnyButSelf",
    "msg": "Pick a target and use /unrap!",
    "killmsg": "The Back Scratcher claws their way over to ~Target~ and scratches them to shreds."
    }
    },
    "kill": {
    "mode": "ignore"
    }
    }
    },

    {
    "role": "samurai2",
    "translation": "Santa Claus",
    "side": "village",
    "help": "Ho ho ho! Those silly elves have put some bad gifts in those boxes, and it's up to you to find them.Use /unwrap during the day to unwrap a present! Rumor is there's even a bomb in one of them, so be careful! Be sure to lead the Presents during the voting phase!",
    "info": "Can kill one person during the standby. Sided with Team Christmas.",
    "actions": {
    "standby": {
    "unwrap": {
    "command": "kill",
    "target": "AnyButSelf",
    "msg": "Quick! Unwrap a present and see what's inside! Use /unwrap [name]:",
    "killmsg": " ~Self~ unwrapped ~Target~ in front of the whole workshop for everyone to see."
    }
    }
    }
    },

    {
    "role": "samurai",
    "translation": "Santa Claus",
    "side": "village",
    "help": "Ho ho ho! Those silly elves have put some bad gifts in those boxes, and it's up to you to find them.Use /unwrap during the day to unwrap a present! Rumor is there's even a bomb in one of them, so be careful! Since you are not in a box, you cannot be unwrapped or rewrapped at any time unless voted off, so be sure to lead the Presents during the voting phase!",
    "info": "Can kill one person during the standby. Avoids all nightkills. Avoids all daykills. Avoids all converts. Sided with Team Christmas.",
    "actions": {
    "standby": {
    "unwrap": {
    "command": "kill",
    "target": "AnyButSelf",
    "msg": "Quick! Unwrap a present and see what's inside! Use /unwrap [name]:",
    "killmsg": " ~Self~ unwrapped ~Target~ in front of the whole workshop for everyone to see."
    }
    },
    "kill": {
    "mode": "ignore"
    },
    "convert": {
    "mode": "ignore"
    },
    "daykill": "evade"
    }
    },

    {
    "role": "mafia2",
    "translation": "Old Book",
    "side": "mafia1",
    "help": "You are one of those dusty books sitting on the shelf that nobody wants to read. Now, you have teammed up with the other Bad Gifts and can unwrap one present during the night with /unwrap (shared with other Old Books only). You weigh about the same as some coal, so the Elf-in-a-Box will think you are indeed coal too.",
    "info": "Inspected as Coal. Can kill one person during the night - shared. Sided with Bad Presents.",
    "actions": {
    "night": {
    "unwrap": {
    "command": "kill",
    "target": "AnyButTeam",
    "common": "Role",
    "priority": 61,
    "broadcast": "team"
    }
    },
    "inspect": {
    "revealAs": "mafiavillager"
    },
    "startup": "team-reveal-with-roles"
    }
    }
    ],
    "roles1":
    ["samurai2", "villager", "mafia", "villager", "villager",
    "mafia", "inspector", "miller", "mafiabomb", "antimayor"],
    "roles2":
    ["samurai", "villager", "mafia", "villager", "villager",
    "mafia", "inspector", "antimayor", "mafiabomb", "miller",
    "cultist", "mafiavillager", "villager", "conspirator", "mafiavillager",
    "villager", "turtleneck", "mafia2", "antimayor", "werewolf",
    "mafiabomb", "godfather", "miller", "mafiavillager", "villager",
    "villager", "mafia2", "villager", "villager", "mafiavillager"],

    "villageCantLoseRoles": ["samurai", "samurai2"],

    "killmsg": "±Elf: ~Player~ (~Role~) was unwrapped! ",
    "killusermsg": "Suddenly, you hear a ripping noise and a burst of light enters your box as you are revealed to the workshop!",
    "lynchmsg": "±Game: ~Player~ received ~Count~ votes, so they were unwrapped and revealed to be the ~Role~!"
    }
    [/HIDE]

    Roles list translated (Outdated now):

    ["samurai", "villager", "mafia", "villager", "villager",
    "mafiavillager", "inspector", "antimayor", "mafiabomb", "miller",
    "cultist", "mafiavillager", "villager", "conspirator", "mafiavillager",
    "villager", "turtleneck", "mafia", "antimayor", "werewolf",
    "mafiabomb", "godfather", "miller", "mafiavillager", "villager",
    "villager", "mafiavillager", "villager", "villager", "mafiavillager"],
    [/HIDE]

    File: http://pastebin.com/m4Higvy0

    Summary V 2.0:

    Alright so this is my first theme I've made. It's about Santa Claus and a bunch of presents. The village relies mostly on Santa, who is a samurai who cannot be killed/converted, with a little help from an inspector (Elf-in-a-box) and a couple of antimayors (Jack-in-the-box). The main mafia is the Bad Gifts, with fruitcake shared killers, old book shared killers, two day bombs, and some coal (traitors). The killers reveal as the coal when inspected. There is also a miller on the village's team that is converted into a mayor for the mafia when voted. For our first third-party team, we have the clothes. It consists of an ugly sweater, who converts every 2 nights, and an ugly turtleneck, who can kill and bg. They both have 0 votes, but the converted clothes have 2. For our werewolf and godfather, we have the back scratcher and spoiled brat, respectively. The back scratcher has a day kill and evades night kills, and the spoiled brat has two kills. Lastly, we have our conspirator, the letter, who can expose or fake expose during the day and protect whoever they want during the night (including themself).[/HIDE]

    Why this theme is special:

    The main reason this theme is special is not the roles themselves, but the mechanics of how the game works. The first thing I'd like to point out is that there are no PLs and only two bgs (neither of which are sided with the village) so night actions are almost unrestricted. In a full game, there are five night kills, one conversion, and two day kills. There is also a fair villager base which can be to a healthy way to fakeclaim. This theme is the only one to feature a role that evades most kill actions. Voting is also a big part of the theme, and the three big sides, in theory, can switch who has the most voting power as players die out. This is critical because there is silent voting, which means that nobody knows who someone is voting for. There are two antimayors in play to keep Santa from being voted out right away. The mafia has strength in numbers and if a miller from the village is lynched it becomes a mayor for them with 3 votes. The sweaters have 0 votes each but the clothes have 2 votes, meaning they have to convert wisely to have voting power. The conspirator's protect makes them a huge wild card and asset to whoever they side with. While all this is going on, there are up to 2 day bombs running around keeping the daykillers on their toes. More on the story as it develops.[/HIDE]
     
    Last edited: Dec 26, 2012
  2. Li Q. Assir

    Li Q. Assir Mindblower

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    Hi Santa!

    I liked the idea you had. Flavour is nice, on my opinion :) (did I tell you I love Christmas?)

    These are some points I noticed that are wrong with the codes:
    Teddy Bear's description says it has 10 votes, but there is -10 on the codings.

    Bomb reveals its daykiller, doesn't kill it. So it can't kill Santa Claus.

    Spoiled Brat doesn't have help message.[/HIDE]

    And also: village is EXTREMELY OP! There are mafias who are just bad villagers, Samurai who can't be nightkilled and there is no bad daykiller on the game, mayor and antimayor who can guaratee village outvoting anything they want...
     
  3. Santa Claws

    Santa Claws Santa Claus

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    Thanks for pointing those out, I'll get on that right away.

    Ironically, I thought the village was under powered due to their lack of PRs so I threw in the mayor last minute. I see how when combined with the anti-mayor that could lead to an imbalance in the voting to I think I'll just take it out. Other than that Santa is the village's only assured form of killing and the ideally the bad guys win through strength in numbers.
     
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  4. IceKirby

    IceKirby A.K.A. RiceKirby

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    I don't recommend having Jack-in-the-Box as a villageCantLoseRoles, since all it can do if alone is stall the game for some turns.
    Santa Claus is really a problem, since there's no counter for it. You should turn the bomb in a proper daykiller revenger, and even then you will need to think something else so Santa Claus won't win any game single-handed.
    And the Letter's /expose still has Pen's exposemsg.
     
  5. Santa Claws

    Santa Claws Santa Claus

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    Alright I removed Jack-in-the-Box from VillageCan'tLoseRoles, returning it to its original emptiness. I also didn't notice the bomb only revenged night kills, so I'll make it so it revenges all kills. I don't understand what you mean about the Letter though.
     
  6. Beast

    Beast I do what I want

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    "exposemsg": "The Pen, mightier than the sword, writes a note stating that ~Target~ is the ~Role~!"

    that is the letters expose message.
     
  7. IceKirby

    IceKirby A.K.A. RiceKirby

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    You can keep the +10 mayor in the VillageCantLose list, just remove the -10.

    And for the Letter, I meant this part:
    Oh, ninja'd
     
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  8. Scatterbrain

    Scatterbrain You only live once*

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    Quite an impressive theme!
    Just a little error: Bomb says it counters nightkills. It doesn't...
    And I think you should give Santa Claus an evade chance. Spider Man from Marvel evades nightkills, but he doesn't with daykills, making him kind of OP imo.
    Also, I think you should make the mayor/anti-mayor have +2 and -2 votes, respectively.
    Nice work, I expect to see this theme approved.
    You should also change /letter in Letter's command to "OnlySelf", or make it a reveal command.
     
  9. Tesla Elesa

    Tesla Elesa Almost Quality

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    I love love love the flavour of this theme. Seriously, it's just d'awwwww. I'm feeling all warm and fuzzy already just reading about it.

    Once you dig past that layer of nostalgia, though, the actually coding isn't nearly as exciting. It's exactly like that old cult theme we had, with a Pen, kuja and antikuja thrown in there for good measure. The concept is really cool, but the current execution is lacking.

    I'll avoid straight up telling you what to change since I can see this premise has promise, but maybe make everyone have to unwrap themselves n1 to figure out their role? That would simulate the suspense of actually opening presents and seeing what you get.
     
  10. Santa Claws

    Santa Claws Santa Claus

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    The cult theme was default with a cultist and a priest right? I guess I can see how it relates as far as the sides go but I'm not sure how to divert it from that path. I'm thinking about maybe adding a daykiller but I'm worried that would that be too many kills/too much going on in the day.

    I really like this idea but the theme revolves around the process of presents getting unwrapped so I'm not really sure how I would implement it.
     
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  11. Katia

    Katia Haxy Haxy!

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    How about instead of being unwrapped, everyone acts like a kid on Xmas eve and uses /peek on themselves to find out what they are.
     
  12. Kurapika

    Kurapika Born to be a Troll

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    I love this theme XD I think you should raise the vote power a bit for Coal and even more for Ugly Sweater ! and maybe reduce/half Teddy Bear's ?
     
  13. Santa Claws

    Santa Claws Santa Claus

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    Bump!
    Made a big update:
    -Mayor is now on mafia's team, nerfed to +3 votes
    -Antimayor also nerfed, -3 votes
    -Ugly Sweater and Ugly Turtleneck now have 0 votes
    -Clothes have 2 votes
    -Added "Back Scratcher", Has a nightkill and non-revealing daykill
    -Most importantly, all presents use /shake n1 to find out their identity! (Santa is exempt).

    Once again, I've really appreciated the feedback, it's very helpful. Hopefully the village isn't too OP still. Some time in the future I'd like to maybe add a role(s) that changes if another dies, any suggestions for that would be great. Maybe I'll even get an approval soon! ;)
     
  14. Angel Flonne

    Angel Flonne Guest

    /shake seems like a waste of time :X
    I admit, my theme Garden's a bit like this. But like, you should include failChance for /shake, especially since it'll spice it up and add into the lolrage factor! The lolrage factor must be satisfied! LOLRAGE 2012 :3
     
  15. Santa Claws

    Santa Claws Santa Claus

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    Good point. Added 10% fail chance for Gifts and 5% fail chance for Bad Gifts.
     
  16. Angel Flonne

    Angel Flonne Guest

    Also, bad gifts could be an on list thing, like miller. So that they don't feel bad or something, they also are in for a big surprise.
     
  17. Scatterbrain

    Scatterbrain You only live once*

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    Millers that change sides when lynched? Perhaps that would be a creative concept.
     
  18. Santa Claws

    Santa Claws Santa Claus

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    Deal. Stockings are now filled with coal when voted, making them switch sides with 3 votes (I replaced Coal Master, because this works much better).

    Other Changes:
    -Changed Spoiled Brat's kills to poisons
    -Returned the "villageCantLoseRoles"
    -Added Santa to "villageCantLoseRoles"
    -Updated the theme's summary
    -Removed Back Scratcher's night kill but made it evade them

    Well this is probably pretty close to a finalized version, as I can't think of more things to add as if right now. I am still concerned about whether the village is still considered OP, because I nerfed them considerably so some feedback on that would be nice.
     
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  19. Li Q. Assir

    Li Q. Assir Mindblower

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    Hey Santa!

    At Bomb's daykill revenge message, Self is the Bomb and Target is Santa (or other daykiller), so it means that Bomb is unwarping Santa...

    I enjoyed the idea of converting the miller to mafia mayor, nice one :)

    Letter is exactly as Pen, from Weapons. Maybe it would be nice to add something to it... I just don't know what, but it won't change my opinion on how good the theme is going.

    Back Scratcher's info say that it is sided with Bad Gifts, while it is not.

    Actually, Santa Claus can be easily removed from the game with /poison.

    I don't think that it is a good idea to have villagers on the mafia side... It makes them very unlikely to win if they are the last standing on their team.

    Work a little bit more on the theme and it may be approved soon... :)
     
  20. Santa Claws

    Santa Claws Santa Claus

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    Thanks for the help once again, I fixed the bomb and Back Scratcher. I also changed the Spoiled Brat's poisons back to kills, since I removed them thinking there were too many kills, but it comes in at just under 30 players and there were only 2 night kills without him so I think it will be fine. I gave the Letter a protect-which is now /tape-which I think will make it that much more fun and important to whoever they side with. I also changed one of its fake exposes to Back Scratcher. I also changed Turtleneck's /kill to /unwrap, /protect to /tape, and broadcast to team. Lastly, I want to change every other coal into another role that has a shared kill with others of its kind but separate from the fruitcakes. Unfortunately, I can't think of another bad Christmas gift, because Christmas is so great ;), so I'll gladly take suggestions.
     
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  21. Kurapika

    Kurapika Born to be a Troll

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    Just bumping this sweet theme! :v Needs more reviews, especially that Christmas is coming soon etc... :D
     
  22. Katia

    Katia Haxy Haxy!

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    Happy early Xmas. Here's your present. Approve1
     
  23. Santa Claws

    Santa Claws Santa Claus

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    First off, I believe it is time for a first approval speech:

    When I first started this theme, I had just a simple concept in mind and it was pretty lame. Now, thanks to the help of everyone who has taken part in reviewing it, I can confidently say it is a theme I am proud of, and it is still getting better. Thanks again for all the help, and I'll keep trying to improve it in my spare time.

    Also, I added the new mafia role. It is currently called "I Need a Name", as I haven't come up with anything for it yet.

    Lastly, I want to add a new role called "Milk and Cookies", but I can't seem to find a way to code it. I want it to essentially give 2 votes to whoever kills it. I've been trying to manipulate "OnDeath", but I can't seem to think of anything that would work. If anyone has any ideas, please let me know.
     
  24. Santa Claws

    Santa Claws Santa Claus

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    Me again, updated some things.

    -The additional mafia role is now called "Old Book"

    -Santa Claus does not evade in smaller games

    -Swapped Stockings and Jack-in-the-Box in roles1

    Also, I caught wind of the "Silent Vote" feature and I think it would be GREAT for this theme, since voting is such a critical part of the theme. With nobody being able to tell who people are voting for, the bad guys can vote freely and the antimayor is that much more important. I haven't included it yet, and I'd love to see some opinions on how it would affect the theme.
     
  25. NAVIDAD PIRATE

    NAVIDAD PIRATE THE PLEASURE OF BEING CUMMED INSIDE

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    I say go for it. No theme right now really utilizes it and if it doesn't work out you can always remove it.

    The theme flavour is pretty nifty, and it would be nice to have a holiday themed game up for November and December. However, I'm not sure how I feel about the shake mechanic on n1, as it feels too Gardeny but without the hysterics that go along with it. I know you already coded it all in but I'm not really a fan of it. The Santa=good Ganon thing is kinda cool, but to compensate for this I think one more bomb should show up in roles list, obviously replacing one of the mafia villagers. Speaking of those two things, I like the idea of a mafia villager and it would go well with the silent voting mechanic; as for the bomb, come up with something besides "Bomb" as the flavour. The Letter role is basically the Pen, but a global shield might make it too powerful, and should probably just be left out.

    I think the theme as a whole is quite clever, and it would definitely be a good addition to the channel once everything is fixed up.
     
  26. Beast

    Beast I do what I want

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    Add the SilentVote! I think it would be a great addition and I am really curious on how it is going to work out. No one has used it yet and it is making me sad. :(
     
  27. Fegelein

    Fegelein The Mechanic

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    Darkness has it (Darkkis's theme)

    As for the theme itself:
    I don't think the Gifts should be told if they are bad or not, it ruins the suprise in my opinion.
    I like the function of Stockings, but Santa easily kills them, so lynching may not be necessary.
    The daykillrevengemsg is hilarious IMO, one of the best messages in mafia ATM.
    Coal may not be very fun to play as, give it perhaps hax on inspect?
    The info for Letter doesn't mention it can tape (protect)
    The help needs to mention Back Scratcher can evade nightkills
    With samurai2, he is told he can evade all nightkills, daykills and converts when he actually can not.
    In help, mention to samurai he can do those things above

    It's a very good concept, but I can't help but think it is a bit similar to Space Invaders. However, I do love this theme and it would be a great theme to have this on the server.
    Fix those problems, and I'll give you my final verdict.
     
  28. Li Q. Assir

    Li Q. Assir Mindblower

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    Don't you remember Shaymin's expose message, from Pokemon Forms?

    It was something like: ~Self~ decided to be an ass and expose that ~Target~ is ~Role~.
     
  29. Fegelein

    Fegelein The Mechanic

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    That one was hilarious as well at the time.
     
  30. Santa Claws

    Santa Claws Santa Claus

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    -Added Silent Voting and included it in the summary
    -Made another bomb appear after Back Scratcher
    -Bomb no longer revenges night kills

    The n1 shake doesn't really do anything in particular except add to the flavor, I'll just leave it in for now unless it faces more opposition. If I come up with anything to call the bomb other than "Bomb" I'll throw that in. As for the Letter, I personally really like the protect since it make it more of an influence on the game as a conspirator. If it does turn out to be too OP, I'll probably give it charges.

    -Fixed Letter's info
    -Fixed Back Scratcher's help
    -Fixed the Santas helps

    Personally, I'm fairly partial to the gifts knowing if they're bad or not, as I think people seem to act differently knowing that. I'll keep the same policy as the n1 shake and say if that receives more opposition as well it shall be changed. I can't really think of a way to change Coal Stockings, giving them a daykill evasion or something would be too OP. I guess they'll mostly just serve as a way to waste one of Santa's kills if he doesn't have something better to do. For Coal, I feel like anyone with that role would just have to make the best of it. You're a villager for the bad team, so you can try to meatshield, fakeclaim, or just try to keep quiet and contribute to voting, among other things.

    Once again, thanks for the reviews, including the people I didn't mention with my impromptu quotes.
     
  31. Fegelein

    Fegelein The Mechanic

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    Alright, your points are valid and you fixed the errors. I think it's different enough from Space Invaders to warrant my Approve [2]
    Good work.
     
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  32. Samphire

    Samphire Too much hard work!

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    Well, you are dealing with criticisms brought to you, and the theme looks incredibly interesting - I would love to see how the silent voting will work out! I'll give an approve [3] as well. You're on your way!
     
  33. Beast

    Beast I do what I want

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    I like the theme and I am also interested in this silentVote thing. Maybe this theme will make it popular. I am going to Approve [4] this. :)

    You have done a good job improving upon your theme.
     
  34. NAVIDAD PIRATE

    NAVIDAD PIRATE THE PLEASURE OF BEING CUMMED INSIDE

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    I disagree with some of your points but your reasoning is valid and it is your theme so yeah.

    Approved [5].
     
  35. Tesla Elesa

    Tesla Elesa Almost Quality

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    OMG how is this not approved [6] yet?

    There :3.

    And maybe you should make everyone show up on the list as a gift (besides the humans) since they aren't actually opened. That way it wouldn't feel like Garden as much, and would be like Rotom all over again, except balanced.
     
  36. Santa Claws

    Santa Claws Santa Claus

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    Thanks for the approval, but I'm a little confused on what you are suggesting. Are you saying I should have everyone on the list appear as a gift even after they are shaken/not shaken at all? Assuming that is what you are saying, the idea seems nice and would add to the flavor a bit more, but it nobody would know what roles are still in the game. It would be really tedious to try and keep track of who was in the game in the first place and who has been eliminated. If you are suggesting something else, please clarify some more.
     
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  37. Beast

    Beast I do what I want

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    I think the idea is to have them as a present before they are unwrapped unless they are human. Humans should be on the list as themselves.
     
  38. Tesla Elesa

    Tesla Elesa Almost Quality

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    That is what I was suggesting, wasn't it?

    Yeah, I can see how it would get a bit confusing.

    Let me put a better spin to it. Instead of having to unwrap yourself n1, just make everyone know which role they are, but show up on the list as a gift (besides humans). And then you could have the spoiled kid open the gifts at night (using convert to a role that shows up normally on the list) instead of the two kills he/she has now. And he/she should have a chance of killing someone with the unwraps, as well as a chance to fail. And if this sounds like Garden, it's not because you know what role you are (but not who everyone else is) and can use commands n1.
     
  39. Santa Claws

    Santa Claws Santa Claus

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    As in make remove Spoiled Brat and Elf from their boxes and make them not shake n1? Elf not shaking would probably make the village OP, namely in smaller games. It might work with the brat in speeding up larger games, but I'd have to redo both their help messages and change the roles list and that would be a lot of work :P. Realistically it might be a good idea for the brat, but it could hurt the flavor just a little. I'm on the fence on this one.
     
  40. Santa Claws

    Santa Claws Santa Claus

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    Well the concept seems nice, but that kind of a change would be pretty drastic. For starters, the spoiled brat would have to appear much earlier in order to shake gifts and etc. Another role would also need to be added to replace their kills, since 2 more kills early in the game would probably be too many, so therefore their kill chance would have to be relatively low. Other than revealing what roles are still in play, that command would be like an inspect for the brat like it is for the gardener, and it would still be annoying to try to figure out what the other roles are, especially if the brat dies. I can't think of any good way to adapt this idea into a more integral part of the theme, but overall I'd like to stay away from everyone appearing as gifts for too long.