Eeveelutions

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  1. Shiny Rayquaza

    Shiny Rayquaza Your nightmare!

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    I got this idea.

    How about making 8 different Eevee's, 7 ordinary, and 1 shiny.

    The ordinary ones each can use /evolve at the very 1st night, and will become a specific Eeveelution, like Eevee 1 become Jolteon while Eevee 2 become Flareon etc, but they won't know WHICH Eeveelution they will evolve into.

    Shiny Eevee can just keep his ability.
     
  2. Katia

    Katia Haxy Haxy!

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    I'm not trying to shut him down. Just offering my opinions.
     
  3. Scatterbrain

    Scatterbrain You only live once*

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    Hehe, thanks for that. Well, I had originally planned Scyther, Kricketot and Heracross, but they got scrapped. Scyther was going to be an individual role because at the time I wasn't presented the idea of evolving in Mafia, until I played Unova. Heracross and Pinsir can be found in Lostlorn Forest in BW2, so that's where I got the latter's addition. Kricketot was supposed to be a PL + Mafia, at the time where Ninjask was just a basic mafia. Problem with Heracross is, what would he be? Pinsir has a separate, unhaxable kill as well as team-reveal, Ninjask has kill + PL, and Scizor evades poison, almost ALL distracts, teamkills, AND certain daykills from the Shiny Eeveelutions.
    As for Ditto, it wouldn't exactly fit well with Zorua/Zoroark. Ditto transforms into another Pokemon; whilst the foxes only create illusions. Additionally, you can't exactly find Ditto in the forest, so it wouldn't make much sense. Hmmm...
    How about it just appear on a random side and get some special ability?

    The point of a villager is to shield PRs from dying...I do like where this is going. I might put one or two in. But not a bunch...that'd defeat the purpose if every role on the village is a PR.
     
  4. Oh So Shoddy

    Oh So Shoddy Devil's Advocate

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    You should probably add that info about the forest in the summary, I didn't realize the theme was based on a particular location.

    Heracross for boss (Godfather).

    The extra kills could be balanced with ShinyRay's idea for a random villy to PR convert. Maybe a small 5% chance of success with a cap on how many conversions can be
    made?

    I see your point about Ditto. And I think a lone-ranger role could be interesting.
     
  5. Scatterbrain

    Scatterbrain You only live once*

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    Sorry :x I thought the side Lostlorn Conspirators kinda gave it away...maybe it's just me? </sarcasm/>

    All jokes aside, why would he be a Godfather? Why not just include him in the Bug Tribe?
     
  6. Oh So Shoddy

    Oh So Shoddy Devil's Advocate

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    Yeah. That's actually what I meant, mafia boss. I don't know why I said godfather.
     
  7. Scatterbrain

    Scatterbrain You only live once*

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    Hmmm...Heracross could serve a good mafia boss however Pinsir is the 'boss'. What would Heracross have anyway?
     
  8. Shiny Rayquaza

    Shiny Rayquaza Your nightmare!

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    Heracross could use an attack that has a recharge for 1 or more day(s) maybe?
     
  9. Oh So Shoddy

    Oh So Shoddy Devil's Advocate

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    Moxie 'Cross. 2 kills with second kill having an added effect. That part I'll leave up to you to ponder on. Don't get stuck on my insistence to add 'Cross. You still have to find a way to get all the other QCs interested. So see what else you can come up with.
     
  10. Scatterbrain

    Scatterbrain You only live once*

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    Gave Heracross 'Moxie'
    Boosts power if Scizor or Pinsir is defeated
    Initial Heracross just has /swarm
    First one is just a daykill added
    Second one keeps the daykill and gets a one-time use of /buzz (which kills and distracts at the same time)
     
  11. LadyHoliday

    LadyHoliday ♥Joyful Soul♥

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    PO Trainer Name:
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    This seems like its going to be a really great theme! :)
     
  12. Scatterbrain

    Scatterbrain You only live once*

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    Thanks! :D
     
  13. Oh So Shoddy

    Oh So Shoddy Devil's Advocate

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    Some of your hookermsg are confusing, like for Scizor. In the role descriptions it says "Scizor - shared kill w/ Ninjask + evades certain kills, poison, and distraction(s)" but then you have a hookermsg saying "hookermsg": "Scizor's Steel typing proved your distraction ineffective!"

    Unless Scizor actually kills the distractors then there shouldn't be a hookermsg, since that would reveal Scizor to the distractor.

    Also, your daykillrevengemsg don't depict actual revenge kills, you should edit those to show that the attacker isn't just 'ignored' but killed.

    Do a thorough check of your code to make sure that all your descriptions are properly represented and everything else is in order.
     
  14. Scatterbrain

    Scatterbrain You only live once*

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    I know. I planned this intentionally because Scizor is pretty OP imo. And I thought it worked for evades...hell, I even checked it on the Mafia Checker and it turned out alright.
     
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  15. Tesla Elesa

    Tesla Elesa Almost Quality

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    Wait...
    Heracross is exactly like Japan in WWII. Starts out a regular mafia, when a teammate dies, gains a revealing daykill -_-.

    I claim no patent to the idea, but the resemblance is uncanny. Good progress; keep it up and you might just get a approve bandwagon.
     
  16. Scatterbrain

    Scatterbrain You only live once*

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    /looks up what uncanny means

    And actually yeah it's kind of expired but it gets boosted when Scizor/Pinsir die
    It can happen twice though
     
  17. Scatterbrain

    Scatterbrain You only live once*

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    :X hate to have to involuntarily bump this thread
     
  18. Nainil

    Nainil The International of PO

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    Review in progress. Please wait.

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    It seems to me that village is op if the Lostlorn Consps side with the village...

    If you can somehow remedy that it will seem to be balanced. Assuming that the theme will be uploaded, you would have to check it for balance. On paper to me the Mafia looks underpowered as compared to the village, assuming the Consps side with village.

    EDIT: one more important thing. Zoroark's mafia seems underpowered...you might want to creatively think of something for them to do other than just hax.

    I'll just go ahead and-

    Approved. [1/6]
     
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  19. Scatterbrain

    Scatterbrain You only live once*

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    Thank you. The village is underpowered, IMO. While the Bug Tribe seemed OP if I gave them team-reveal. So I gave Pinsir (a role that doesn't come in until late games) team reveal. However, the Fox Duo are actually pretty fair IMO. The fact that Zoroark can kill distract AND protect seems quite OP, even for a solo role. I'll think about the situation with the roles.

    Yay my first approval :D
     
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  20. Scatterbrain

    Scatterbrain You only live once*

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  21. Oh So Shoddy

    Oh So Shoddy Devil's Advocate

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    I'm still not sure how I feel about this theme. I just don't think it's unique enough. There's nothing that really sets it apart from the other themes. Luckily we have numerous QC members so maybe some of them will have more definitive responses.
     
  22. Scatterbrain

    Scatterbrain You only live once*

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    How so? I've made the Eeeveelutions diverse and plentiful, added villagers with hax on EVERYTHING, illusions that are cast into the shape of the Shiny Beasts, gave the two main mafias no team reveal, 'added' Moxie to Heracross and Pinsir, made Zorua get to change sides and gain the protection of her mother, and let's not forget the randomness of the Shiny Eeveelutions. What else could I possibly add that hasnt already been stated?
     
  23. Dark Phoenix

    Dark Phoenix Multidimensional Hero

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    I kind of agree with OSS here - I mean when I see the theme I do see your attempts to be different (convert to a random role) HOWEVER the whole "bug mafia" is kind of overplayed - but that's just me. I see it a lot :[ (@Caterpie) but I suppose it's popular now.

    I do like that you have roles that can random convert to one of the shiny beasts, kinda cool. However I think it'd be cooler if instead of having 3 separate versions of illusion, you utilized one role who had the opportunity to turn into any of them [1/3 chance of being suicune for example]. If this is the case - you could therein buff up these illusions and thereby buffing the zoroark mafia side. but that's just my opinion. The game does seem interesting and I'll be responding back later with a decision
     
  24. Tesla Elesa

    Tesla Elesa Almost Quality

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    Yeah, you could cut down the roles list a lot with random converts instead of individual ones.

    The thing with this theme is that although the village is quite nicely done, the mafia is kinda meh. Still, I think that it's just about reached that threshold where all that's needed is a few role alterations, so approved.
     
  25. Dark Phoenix

    Dark Phoenix Multidimensional Hero

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    I'm still awaiting matthewbny to respond to my feedback before I give out any decision......
     
  26. Scatterbrain

    Scatterbrain You only live once*

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    And
    Thanks guys! I will delve deeper into the suggestions. Not sure if there's a random convert possible at the moment Dark Phoenix, but I will definitely look into it!
    Sorry I've been AFK...Dx
     
  27. Dark Phoenix

    Dark Phoenix Multidimensional Hero

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    Matthewbny there is a random convert (I use it in my Marvel theme)

    the code is as follows

    "convert": {
    "target": "AnyButTeam",
    "common": "Self",
    "priority": 20,
    "newRole": {
    "villager": [ "mayor", "bodyguard", "vigilante"],
    "mayor": [ "vigilante", "inspector"]
    }

    It's in RKirby's how to make themes :)

    I think it would be a nice addition as it would allow you the opportunity to boost the Zoroark side without making them too powerful
     
  28. Scatterbrain

    Scatterbrain You only live once*

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    Thanks but is there any way of controling the floating numbers? (e.g. 15% of being Role A and 85% being Role B)
     
  29. Dark Phoenix

    Dark Phoenix Multidimensional Hero

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    That I am unaware of as of right now - maybe RKirby would know.... :x I'll review that thread later to see if there is anything in it that would help
     
  30. Scatterbrain

    Scatterbrain You only live once*

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    I seem to believe Ragnarok's Novice role would fit but I believe since there's an array it will only pick the first one. But then again I remember Average Town's Mafia Leaders had a 1/3 chance of inspecting as Commoner. So I might as well wait and hear from Rice.
     
  31. Scatterbrain

    Scatterbrain You only live once*

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    I am going to make Zoroark the conspirator who can transform into any role by typing /(role) however there may be failchances involved. Also, if i do, I'm giving the initial zoroark a command with inspect and distract. However Idk if it would fit the role all that well.
     
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  32. Li Q. Assir

    Li Q. Assir Mindblower

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    Hi matthewbny!!! This theme seems to be very interesting! Here are some points I'd like you to check:

    - Transformed Zorua's info say that it is sided with eevees and win with Zoroak. This is not what the code say: "side": "werewolf" and no winning sides. This information should be said on the help text too.

    - Espeon's help text says it can safeguard itself, but the target is AnyButSelf.

    - If Shiny Eevee can't be distracted because it is "too busy evolving", the priority for its convert should be higher than Espeon's safeguard. If Eespeon safeguards Shiny Eevee, it won't evolve.

    - You don't need a thousand Shiny Eevee roles to become a Shiny Eeveelution. You can use just one and use a bracket to say every role it can convert.

    - Shiny Raikou's teammessage says something about going to a Pokemon Center. If they are just pokemon, this seem to not fit the flavour... maybe they spent their night searching for a Cheri Berry?

    - Shiny Suicune and Illusion1's daykill evade message: "The ~Role~ tries to attack Leafeon, but was unaffected by their attacks!".

    - Why don't you give team reveal for that bug mafia at all? If one teammate has team reveal, they have a kind of slow teamreveal :x

    - Why have you put exactly those roles for but mafia? Why are they fighting eevees? If it you want your theme to be related to evolutions, why don't you put Wurmple family there? Or maybe Nincada's? Or maybe both for the bug mafia? They all are bugs and have more than one evolution, but not so many as eevee have.

    - When someone distracts Scizor they will know their target was Scizor, because of the hooker message. Should it really happen?

    - ~Role~ doesn't expose anyone during a daykill (Heracross daykill messgae). Why don't you put "the Heracross" instead?

    - A kill and a distract with max priority makes the distract part useless for this theme, because the only team with a shared action, if I am not wrong, is Heracross own team. The target will just die and there are no teammates with shared actions to be stopped.

    - Bug Tribe seem to be extremely overpowered, in comparison to the other mafias.

    - Why do poisons from bug mafia get a lower accuraccy every time they evolve? You may wanted to increase the amount of poisons, but lowering this much the acuraccy seems not to be good...

    - "roles2", at the moment Jolteon joins the game, have one bomb and 2 bad guys. OP village? A lot.

    - "roles1" have a poisoner, a mayor, a bg, an insp and a PL againt 2 mafias, with shared commands. OP village? A lot :/[/HIDE]
     
  33. Scatterbrain

    Scatterbrain You only live once*

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    I'll change these errors. About Scizor: this is intentional. About the Bug Tribe being OP: that's the reason they don't have teamreveal. And its rigged so only ONE Shiny Eevee appears. Per game. Thanks for the feedback though!
     
  34. Li Q. Assir

    Li Q. Assir Mindblower

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    That's why I said to use the bracket. If you don't we all will know what will be the Shiny Eeveelution depending on the number of players, this way it will be a truly random evolution and not a "random defined ____eon" for 15~17 players and another "random _____eon" for 18~20.
     
  35. Scatterbrain

    Scatterbrain You only live once*

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    Oh, like it does with Novice in Ragnarok?
     
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