Mythology (Myth)

Discussion in 'Active Themes' started by fitzy, Sep 14, 2012.

  1. Uxinator

    Uxinator The Uxie Master

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    honestly, add it back. it was the theme everyone went to. and there are TONS of mythical creatures to add
     
  2. Shiny Rayquaza

    Shiny Rayquaza Your nightmare!

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    I personally like these changes.

    Now, Medusa is not a sucky role who just ignores PL, and get a single kill, nonono, now she can kill Twice, ignores pl and is revealed as a Demi, which actually made Gorgons way more balanced than before.

    Titans surely looks balanced IMO, and is a nice addition. Although i still don't get why Kronos is not sided with Titan despite him being the leader, but i guess they would turn OP with him?
     
  3. Scatterbrain

    Scatterbrain You only live once*

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    I suggested this before (for Cronus to be on his own but to win with the Titans and vice versa). Cronus being a solo role would be exceptionally well. Themis (the vigilante) is the Titan of Law and Order, so many die-hard mythology fans might question why Themis is on the Olympians side. I still love the theme, and I believe we need more millers (who aren't told they're millers, but get hax like Cutter, Yarn and Beam Kirby)
     
  4. Redsnake

    Redsnake Paradox Whale

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    I'm just going to wait until Myth is approved (if it does...) before I look at the details of the other stuff I was proposing.
     
  5. TheUnknownOne

    TheUnknownOne Member

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    Why hasn't this been approved yet?
     
  6. Li Q. Assir

    Li Q. Assir Mindblower

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    Mythology is a... hmm... necessary theme. Why isn't it approved how it was before any changes and then we keep this discussion here about what to be implemented?
     
  7. fitzy

    fitzy Heart of the cards Forum Moderator Forum Moderator

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    (00:07:25) fitzyhbbe: you know what
    (00:07:32) fitzyhbbe: I posted the theme but its not mine
    (00:07:37) fitzyhbbe: and now redstorms back
    (00:07:43) fitzyhbbe: I'm gonna approve it

    So Approving the old version just to get it up. And I am totally fine with possible changes (like Apollo) being in future.
     
  8. Oh So Shoddy

    Oh So Shoddy Devil's Advocate

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    I keep seeing mention of Titans yet the only related roles I see are Kronos and Themis. Am I missing something, an update I might have overlooked?
     
  9. Tesla Elesa

    Tesla Elesa Almost Quality

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    While I am chary of any potential updates, I'd say that we might as well approve this theme, for old time's sake. It's decently balanced, fun to play, and a classic.
     
  10. Scatterbrain

    Scatterbrain You only live once*

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    Look in the latest update at the end of the code before roles1 and roles2. iirc it's before Chronos.
     
  11. Nainil

    Nainil The International of PO

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    I will approve it. I kinda like the idea of Apollo and Poseidon, but I will take a look at the balance. Imo with the hax and things Good is too op, but then...that's one of the reasons people like Myth.
     
  12. Oh So Shoddy

    Oh So Shoddy Devil's Advocate

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    Now that I've finally noticed the Titans update (yes, slow) I'm in favor of the above mentioned changes. recharge counts of 2, 3 and 4 for Oceanus, Prometheus and Phoebe respectively is what I'd recommend. Until then however...

    This should have long been done, but I'll APPROVE [6] this version with the Apollo and Poseidon additions until we come to a decision on the Titans update. I'm also in favor of those additions, provided matthewbny's suggestions are implemented.

    Redsnake. Fix the distract message before this gets uplaoded
     
  13. Redsnake

    Redsnake Paradox Whale

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    Okay, I changed the distract messages, reduced Ares' vote to 1 for smaller games, and flopped the order of Achilles and Kronos joining (were only 1 after the other) right here: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=UBT3Mr2t

    I'll paste it into my editted post too.
     
  14. two sides of one coin

    two sides of one coin sick of all her shit

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    I have to say that the player messages have borked completely with the new updates. Didn't really know where to post this..
     
  15. DatXFire

    DatXFire Never gonna use an avatar

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    TheSexiOne, logs would've been nice to see what exactly is wrong.

    However in a recent game of myth the win messages look perfectly fine:

    (12:05:32) ***************************************************************************************
    (12:05:32) Times Up! :
    (12:05:32) ±Game: gidimon (Gorgon) was removed from the game!
    (12:05:32) ±Olympus: The world descends into everlasting Darkness as Professor Lars, NightmareSlash and uso bring Mount Olympus under the power of the Underworld!
    (12:05:32) ±Game: The Olympians (Lapis Mew) lose!
    (12:05:32) ***************************************************************************************
     
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  16. IceKirby

    IceKirby A.K.A. RiceKirby

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    I can't say for certain the role/scripts are not borked, but that inspection message he sent you is rigged. My username in PO is RiceKirby (no space). You can even check with the game log.

    Edit: I requested a readlog, and there's no bug. The person Athena inspected was "Mike Kirby." (he was a Demi), not RiceKirby.
     
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  17. two sides of one coin

    two sides of one coin sick of all her shit

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    When I saw someone win as Kronos, instead of saying their name, it said. ~player~. Sorry for no logs.
     
  18. Jalmont

    Jalmont nothere

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    Is there any specific point to Chronos, or is he just a unique villager? I don't see the point of a miller who is told he is a miller...
     
  19. Yttrium

    Yttrium Well-Known Member Developer Developer

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    Chronos used to be a useless-enough-to-not-be killed, but reliable person to claim and for people to PM, but no one does anymore...
     
  20. GreenWater10

    GreenWater10 GreenWater10

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    There are lots of themes that have this, I think the coders don't know about the "onlist", because none of the theming guides go over this concept.

    Isn't there a version where there's a day revealer? I seem to remember something called the Apollo, but I can't find it on the code. Also, does having 2 samurais seem OP to anyone else?
     
  21. Li Q. Assir

    Li Q. Assir Mindblower

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    (01:05:16) abbey road: that
    (01:05:17) abbey road: was obvious
    (01:05:21) MewtwoHidden: ejh fair trade
    (01:05:30) abbey road: which reminds me
    (01:05:31) Morty Oak: who's oceanus!
    (01:05:38) MewtwoHidden: get Honey-senpai
    (01:05:41) Honey-senpai: What?!
    (01:05:41) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:05:41) Current Roles: Artemis, Athena, Cerberus, Chronos, Demigod, Empowered Oceanus.
    (01:05:41) Current Players: Honey-senpai, MewtwoHidden, Morty Oak, Wr4et, abbey road, final trick.
    (01:05:41) Time: Day 5
    (01:05:41) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (01:05:41) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:05:47) ±Game:MewtwoHidden voted for Honey-senpai!
    (01:05:51) ±Game:Morty Oak voted for Honey-senpai!
    (01:05:53) Morty Oak: we have to
    (01:05:56) Morty Oak: who's athena?
    (01:05:58) MewtwoHidden: shronos here
    (01:06:00) Honey-senpai: Not me
    (01:06:06) ±Game:final trick voted for Honey-senpai!
    (01:06:10) Honey-senpai: aw damn T.T
    (01:06:13) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:06:13) Times Up! :
    (01:06:13) ±Game: Honey-senpai (Cerberus) was removed from the game!
    (01:06:13) Current Roles: Artemis, Athena, Chronos, Demigod, Empowered Oceanus.
    (01:06:13) Current Players: MewtwoHidden, Morty Oak, Wr4et, abbey road, final trick.
    (01:06:13) Time: Night 6
    (01:06:13) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (01:06:13) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:06:13) ±Murkrow: abbey road detained Miracle Man0 for 2 games [Reason: AFK as Kronos, there's a rule stating you "play to win"]
    (01:06:15) abbey road: k
    (01:06:25) Morty Oak: everyone needs to claim now
    (01:06:31) Morty Oak: so we can win
    (01:06:43) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:06:43) Times Up! :
    (01:06:43) ±Olympus: final trick (Athena) has been cast off from Mount Olympus!
    (01:06:43) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:06:43) Current Roles: Artemis, Chronos, Demigod, Empowered Oceanus.
    (01:06:43) Current Players: MewtwoHidden, Morty Oak, Wr4et, abbey road.
    (01:06:43) Time: Day 6
    (01:06:43) You have 30 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (01:06:43) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:06:43) Morty Oak: final trick is clean
    (01:06:48) Morty Oak: okay
    (01:06:50) abbey road: artemis, hades slayer hier
    (01:06:52) Morty Oak: who's artemis?
    (01:07:13) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:07:13) Current Roles: Artemis, Chronos, Demigod, Empowered Oceanus.
    (01:07:13) Current Players: MewtwoHidden, Morty Oak, Wr4et, abbey road.
    (01:07:13) Time: Day 6
    (01:07:13) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (01:07:13) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:07:19) Morty Oak: it's either mewtwohidden or wr4et
    (01:07:21) abbey road: k..
    (01:07:29) *** *********************************************************************** ***
    (01:07:29) ±Role: Empowered Oceanus
    (01:07:29) ±Ability: Has a massive hax chance on every command. Sided with the Titans.
    (01:07:29) ±Game: Players
    (01:07:29) *** *********************************************************************** ***
    (01:07:29) ±Role: Oceanus
    (01:07:29) ±Ability: Has a chance of hax on every command. Can Empower himself after 1 night. Sided with the Titans.
    (01:07:29) ±Game: 25-34 Players
    (01:07:29) *** *********************************************************************** ***

    (01:07:33) ±Game:MewtwoHidden voted for Wr4et!
    (01:07:37) ±Game:abbey road voted for MewtwoHidden!
    (01:07:39) ±Game:Wr4et voted for MewtwoHidden!
    (01:07:40) ±Game:Morty Oak voted for MewtwoHidden!
    (01:07:41) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:07:41) Times Up! :
    (01:07:41) ±Game: MewtwoHidden (Chronos) was removed from the game!
    (01:07:41) Current Roles: Artemis, Demigod, Empowered Oceanus.
    (01:07:41) Current Players: Morty Oak, Wr4et, abbey road.
    (01:07:41) Time: Night 7
    (01:07:41) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (01:07:41) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:07:45) abbey road: woah
    (01:07:46) abbey road: big lose
    (01:07:49) abbey road: you should have tied
    (01:07:55) abbey road: whoever is demi
    (01:07:55) Morty Oak: artemis kill wr4et
    (01:07:56) Wr4et: wow heck
    (01:07:58) +Kyurem-W: voting @ 4
    (01:08:03) +Kyurem-W: smh abbey road
    (01:08:04) Morty Oak: abbey road what are you doing?
    (01:08:04) Wr4et: artemis trust me
    (01:08:11) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:08:11) Times Up! :
    (01:08:11) ±Olympus: Morty Oak (Demigod) has been cast off from Mount Olympus!
    (01:08:11) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:08:11) Current Roles: Artemis, Empowered Oceanus.
    (01:08:11) Current Players: Wr4et, abbey road.
    (01:08:11) Time: Day 7
    (01:08:11) You have 30 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! :
    (01:08:11) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:08:14) abbey road: I tied it Viet
    (01:08:16) abbey road: also bleh
    (01:08:16) Wr4et: NICE!!
    (01:08:20) Abyssal left the channel.
    (01:08:22) Wr4et: MY HAX WERE AWESOME!!
    (01:08:31) Wr4et: used it to connect with athena and artemis
    (01:08:33) Li Q. Assir: Oceanus is a very poor role
    (01:08:37) Wr4et: i know...
    (01:08:41) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:08:41) Current Roles: Artemis, Empowered Oceanus.
    (01:08:41) Current Players: Wr4et, abbey road.
    (01:08:41) Time: Day 7
    (01:08:41) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! :
    (01:08:41) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:08:46) Li Q. Assir: nothing but huge hax?
    (01:08:47) Wr4et: i was screwed once my partners died
    (01:08:50) Wr4et: yep!!
    (01:08:51) Li Q. Assir: ^
    (01:08:54) ±Game:Wr4et voted for abbey road!
    (01:08:57) ±Game:abbey road voted for Wr4et!
    (01:08:59) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:08:59) Times Up! :
    (01:08:59) No one was voted off! :
    (01:08:59) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:08:59) Current Roles: Artemis, Empowered Oceanus.
    (01:08:59) Current Players: Wr4et, abbey road.
    (01:08:59) Time: Night 8
    (01:08:59) Make your moves, you only have 30 seconds! :
    (01:08:59) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:09:00) abbey road: I will resist!
    (01:09:00) Killjoy_Mario left the channel.
    (01:09:06) Wr4et: haha i can't do anything
    (01:09:09) Wr4et: i need my partners

    (01:09:12) abbey road: ikr
    (01:09:16) Wr4et: at least i managed to kill everyone else
    (01:09:18) Li Q. Assir: Oceanus should have another way to win
    (01:09:21) Wr4et: my awesome hax helped me to fake demi hax
    (01:09:25) Wr4et: yes wtf...
    (01:09:29) Wr4et: i played dam well

    (01:09:29) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:09:29) Times Up! :
    (01:09:29) ±Olympus: Wr4et (Empowered Oceanus) has been cast off from Mount Olympus!
    (01:09:29) ±Olympus: Mount Olympus has been protected! Good work, abbey road!
    (01:09:29) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:09:30) ***************************************************************************************
    (01:09:30) ±Game: Magmarex started a game with theme FF!
    (01:09:30) ±Game: Type /Join to enter the game!
    (01:09:30) ***************************************************************************************

    (01:09:30) ±Game: All your favorite Final Fantasy heroes and villains have gathered for a gigantic battle royale! The villains bring threatening new abilities to the arena, each one able to cripple the heroes severely. Only one thing is certain, though - last party standing wins. [Update: Cecil completely remade. Have fun!]
    (01:09:31) Morty Oak: abbey road why
    (01:09:32) ±Game: Magmarex joined the game!
    (01:09:33) ±Game: final trick joined the game!
    (01:09:33) ±Game: Sebastian Hummel joined the game!
    (01:09:34) Wr4et: tricked athena and artemis...
    (01:09:34) ±Game: Morty Oak joined the game!
    (01:09:34) ±Game: MewtwoHidden joined the game!
    (01:09:34) ±Game: Danielle Roarik joined the game!
    (01:09:34) ±Game: XxSlowMotionxX joined the game!
    (01:09:35) ±Game: Li Q. Assir joined the game!
    (01:09:37) Wr4et: and still this shit happens
    (01:09:38) ±Game: Lizz joined the game!
    (01:09:38) ±Game: Tumnus joined the game!
    (01:09:39) ±Game: TGMTEL joined the game!
    (01:09:39) Wr4et: why the hell man
    (01:09:40) ±Murkrow: Miracle Man0 was released by abbey road!
    (01:09:40) ±Game: Rkar6 joined the game!
    (01:09:40) ±Game: FamiliarStranger joined the game!
    (01:09:41) ±Game: Wr4et joined the game!
    (01:09:42) Morty Oak: i claimed demi 100000 times
    (01:09:44) falconpunchx100 joined the channel.
    (01:09:45) Wr4et: GIVE ME A WAY TO WIN!![/HIDE]
     
  22. Fuzzysqurl

    Fuzzysqurl baa baa mareep I do what I want Server Owner Developer I do what I want Server Owner Developer

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    Changes:

    Empowered Oceanus now has a vote of 5. I consulted with Beast and he felt that was a decent number to help. I'll watch closely to make sure the vote isn't too overpowered. If anyone has a suggestion for something Oceanus can do instead of just +vote that would allow him to win solo, feel free to contact me.
    Added little notes to Achilles' and Apollo's standby messages to prevent confusion on which role did it. This is one of the few themes that did not have something "clear" about the messages and there has been at least 1 case of mistaken role, which is 1 case too many in my opinion.

    Long story short, if anyone goes to do updates for this theme, use the github link provided in /themeinfo Mythology and use that as the base as the corrections will be implemented already.
     
  23. Hobbes2

    Hobbes2 Aren't I dead or something

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    (18:50:13) RiceKirby: Kronos shouldn't spawn if there's no Artemis or Achilles :x

    This happens at some points, and it should not. Can this be fixed? I mean, death of kronos should not be reliant 100% on xfire.
     
  24. Stocke

    Stocke Wat is dis I don't even

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    I agree with that, village should not depend on crossfire to deal with Kronos. And I also suggest some other changes.

    First is some work around the Titans. Phoebe is the first one to appear, but if she's alone (I've seen it happen quite a few times) she's massively underpowered. Without partners there's no way for her to reliably kill until day 3 when she still has a 15% chance of revealing. Hardly a chance for her to win compared to other daykillers like Hades (no reveal + kill + assured teammates) or Achilles (assured village help, village empowered by connecting PRs and getting a leader). My suggestion would be to either change the reveal chance to a 15-25% -> 0% (before/after empower) or make Prometheus become the first Titan to appear because he's got better chances to win alone. Or maybe both since Titans have to wait 2 days until they get kills, which puts them behind other mafias until mid-late game when at least one of the titans is most likely dead. But that's my suggestion, any other way to fix the "Phoebe alone won't win" main problem can work.

    Second problem I find is with Basilisk in very large games. A werewolf who has to wait for other Achilles and 3 demigods to appear before he gets a partner (and he's going to share the kill as well), and deal with many other mafias as well is basically a team that is going to lose 99% of the time. My proposal would be a Basilisk 2 role with another advantage. Maybe poison every 2 days, voteshield or any other way to prevent it from sucking so much.

    And last problem I have so far is Kronos. Chronos isn't even a good miller to protect him, since he knows he's Chronos and will likely claim so to connect village. If there's counterclaim we get Kronos narrowed down to two possible suspects. And here comes the second problem, what prevents anyone for asking a selfvote to find kronos? Ares, Zeus and Empowered Oceanus won't vote themselves as well, yeah, but what if they're already dead? It's an easy strategy to locate Kronos that hardly harms village in late game. The second problem can be fixed with a voteshield, but Chronos is more a pain to Kronos than an asset.
     
  25. Roy Mustang

    Roy Mustang HOMOSEXUAL UNICORN

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    I've been given permission to adopt this theme. I will be working on some changes over the next few weeks. Issues addressed above this post will be fixed, as well as a few other changes I have in mind. I will keep the opinions of the community in mind when I make any changes (eg. if something is negatively received I will address the complaints and revert the changes if necessary).
     
  26. Roild

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    Sky Sentinel You see?

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    I agree, especially with Kronos. and a possible phoebe solution would be to create another roles list so that as long as she spawns a partner will spawn
     
  28. two sides of one coin

    two sides of one coin sick of all her shit

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    Now this, kids

    This is a post which fixes multiple issues with viable and fair solutions while not corrupting the theme.

    Give this man a medal!
     
  29. Roy Mustang

    Roy Mustang HOMOSEXUAL UNICORN

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    (21:00:11) ±Game: Mythology's changelog:
    (21:00:11) 07.31.13: Added Demeter, Dionysus, Gaia, and Uranus. Slightly lowered hax for Demigods.
    (21:00:11) 08.01.13: Completely removed hax for Demigods. Fixed spawnlist so that Kronos and Achilles spawn at the same time.

    Sebastian added a the first change just to get the playercap up to the required amount, otherwise myth would be disabled right now. That change may or may not stay.

    Second change is mainly because the hax is pointless and can ruin a game perfectly played by the mafia. And the other part of the second change was a simple fix to 13 player games (which had kronos and no village killer, as pointed out by hobbes), not anything major about that.
     
  30. IceKirby

    IceKirby A.K.A. RiceKirby

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    I guess I won't have a reason to play Mythology anymore then =/

    Seriously, give Demihax back. That's the main characteristic of the theme, if you remove that you could as well remove the theme. Mythology has always been a popular theme regardless of demihax, so I see no reason to think that was ruining the theme.
     
  31. Roy Mustang

    Roy Mustang HOMOSEXUAL UNICORN

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    I said can ruin a game perfectly played by the mafia, not that it ruins the theme. Eg. mafia plays perfectly all game only to get haxed and outed, ruining the game for him. Kind of stupid in concept. I understand that it makes demigod a "fun role", but it really adds nothing to the theme. I'm open to input which is why I posted the changelog here.
     
  32. meeps

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    the possibility of demis being able to hax is a good fix for a few reasons

    1. the fact that demigods can hax a baddie, easily allows them to clean themselves by announcing it and voting them out, which allows village to have an easier time connecting.

    2. village's win chance is increased unfairly in situations in which there are 3 demigods and 1 Cerberus/gorgon, leading to the possibility for the village to get an easy win through haxing the last bad, rather than using logic to find the last bad, as it ruins the feel of actual mafia.

    3. demigods and artemis can easily connect, also giving village an unfair advantage, as artemis is capable of cleaning the villagers, and it makes it easier for village to connect and win.

    also the cerberus should no longer hax aphrodite and gorgons should no longer hax ares, as again, it is unfair

    basically, removing the hax from the villagers imo makes the theme more enjoyable and makes it more far for all the teams
     
  33. IceKirby

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    Making the game fun is the sole reason themes even exist.

    There are lots of ways to balance a theme without the need to break its main characteristic. Think about it: if Mythology had been submitted for Theme Review as it is now, do you think it would have any chance to get approved (nostalgia excluded)? It's basically a reskin+ at this point.
    There are lots of themes without villyhax, there's no point to remove the main characterisc from one of the most popular themes when there are alternatives for those that dislike it.
     
  34. Fuzzysqurl

    Fuzzysqurl baa baa mareep I do what I want Server Owner Developer I do what I want Server Owner Developer

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    Artemis hasn't been able to be haxed for about a half a week now. I changed that when I added team-reveal to the Empowered Titans. It help cut down on some village wins already.
     
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    No one even used artemis hax. And village loses lots. So the calculations are wrong? e_e. And I disagree with removing demihax, as stated. At most, nerf so there are different types of demis, some with hax and some with /other/ characteristics. (slight chance of some dodge, NK / DK / votes. Or just DK / votes) They aren't weak, after all! And that poison-self role needs a reason to use it's action. Give it the ability to clear itself if anything. (2 roles, one with clearPoison, other with initial poison.)
     
  36. Roy Mustang

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    Exactly why I want to make changes to it. Nostalgia isn't a reason to have an unbalanced theme (see default).

    (21:56:41) 08.01.13: Completely removed hax for Demigods. Fixed spawnlist so that Kronos and Achilles spawn at the same time. Removed Cerberus and Gorgon getting hax. Basilisk now ignores distract rather than killing the distractor.

    Added 2 more things to that.
     
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    Ugh, even less reasons to play Mythology now.
    Theme has always worked well and was popular the way it was. If you want to change that many things, it's better to simply make a new theme.
     
  38. two sides of one coin

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    Gotta agree with Rice here. Mythology IS Demihax, essentially. It's one of its major draws. It's easy to fakeclaim as Demi, you can fakehax players, etc. etc. Taking it out ruins the whole point of the theme. As Rice said, if you change the whole damn premise of the theme, why not just make a new one? Just because we elected to take Spy out in default because Village was OP doesn't mean you have to go to every theme and take anything related to hax out.
     
  39. Hey Day

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    Multiple things to address here.

    1) Mythology does not need demihax to be fun. If anything, demihax is unbalanced, discourages killers from using their actions or changing their actions when they realized they made a mistake (which is entirely stupid), and makes Hermes entirely useless (because there are so many demigods, they are more likely as a whole to get hax than a single Hermes).

    2) Mythology would not be accepted by today's QC group in its current state. This means (obviously) that it needs to be fixed, and removing demihax is one of the ways to do that.

    3) There is nothing wrong with Mythology lacking a gimmick. This sorta ties into 1), but not every theme needs to have a defining gimmick so long as it's fun and different from other themes. Whether that ties into original roles, careful microbalancing, or an actual gimmick is entirely up to the theme author or adopter.
     
  40. Mac Da Master (macrarazy)

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    Uhhh... looking at this discussion, I agree with none. Since Half of the World says No Demihax, with the rest of the world saying Demihax should be there.

    My opinion is, which goes 2 sided. Yes, Demigods should get hax, but the killer will not be revealed to them. Seems fair enough? I think that answert agrees with the Whole World. Does anyone agree? And HD, please, if the QC doesn't allow Mytho as it is, then I don't think regularly 15 players will join when Mytho is started with the new changes. Even if it does, 8 players who are new will join Mytho, the rest wont.

    It's completely "WTF". I mean you'll take away and destroy a theme while it's one of the favourites (possibly #1, after Dethy)... seriously? I don't like that thinking of Mafia Staff. I think there should be a Meeting Between MAs (including Hannah and others if available), sMAs (including Oak, Lamperi if available) and the Mafia QC. Then a poll should be up to see which one of the options selected in the Meeting is more better considered in between the Players.

    Fair enough? If the Meeting has happened, sorry to say, but I think Mytho will crash if Demis don't get hax. The Demihax cannot go one sided, I think Demigods get hax on who gets killed, not who get killed and who killed. What about it, guys?