That's actually a better idea than simply having him to wait for 3 turns. It makes the Mirror threat more important, and if Marx tries to reveal them publicly hoping he will escape a few lynches, Village will remember how dangerous Marx can get. I could also somehow mix both ideas. No idea how, I just don't want to simply discard the alternative idea yet.
Village is currently too strong in non peak variations. Forced self-voting leads to DDD being exposed and Mass voting them. Spoiler: game 1 (00:32:25) ***(>^.^)> === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === <(^.^<) (00:32:25) Times Up! : (00:32:25) The Roles have been Decided! : (00:32:25) ±Game: You are a Mass Kirby! (00:32:25) ±Game: You think I'm just a Kirby? Wrong! We are 10 Kirbies! We got split by some bad guy, so one of us can't do much. But together, our vote counts as +10! (00:32:25) ±Current Roles: Cook Kirby, Cook Kirby, King Dedede, Mass Kirby. (00:32:25) ±Current Players: HarisKun, Miki Sayaka, OG Zexl Arcanium, lollycatz. (00:32:25) ±Current Team: Cook Kirby, Cook Kirby, Mass Kirby (00:32:25) ±Time: Night 1 (00:32:25) Make your moves, you only have 40 seconds! : (00:32:25) ***(>^.^)> === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === <(^.^<) (00:32:42) Miki Sayaka: mass pm (00:32:45) HarisKun: Mafia kind dead at this hours (00:32:48) Miki Sayaka: other cook pm (00:32:52) OG Zexl Arcanium: I'm a cook (00:33:01) Miki Sayaka: o k (00:33:02) lollycatz: im a flowerpot (00:33:05) ***(>^.^)> === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === <(^.^<) (00:33:05) Times Up! : (00:33:05) ±Kirby: OG Zexl Arcanium (Cook Kirby) will not be seen in Dream Land anymore! (00:33:05) ***(>^.^)> === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === <(^.^<) (00:33:05) ±Current Roles: Cook Kirby, King Dedede, Mass Kirby. (00:33:05) ±Current Players: HarisKun, Miki Sayaka, lollycatz. (00:33:05) ±Current Team: Cook Kirby, Mass Kirby (00:33:05) ±Time: Day 1 (00:33:05) You have 30 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! : (00:33:05) ***(>^.^)> === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === <(^.^<) (00:33:07) HarisKun: i'm kirby (00:33:08) Miki Sayaka: alright (00:33:10) Miki Sayaka: here's the deal (00:33:14) Miki Sayaka: you're both going to selfvote (00:33:17) Miki Sayaka: I am the amss (00:33:19) Miki Sayaka: mass* (00:33:24) Miki Sayaka: Both of you selfvote (00:33:28) Miki Sayaka: if one of you doesn't (00:33:30) Miki Sayaka: I will vote you off (00:33:35) ***(>^.^)> === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === <(^.^<) (00:33:35) ±Current Roles: Cook Kirby, King Dedede, Mass Kirby. (00:33:35) ±Current Players: HarisKun, Miki Sayaka, lollycatz. (00:33:35) ±Current Team: Cook Kirby, Mass Kirby (00:33:35) ±Time: Day 1 (00:33:35) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! : (00:33:35) ***(>^.^)> === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === <(^.^<) (00:33:36) Miki Sayaka: Understand? (00:33:36) ±Game: lollycatz voted for lollycatz! (00:33:39) HarisKun: flood (00:33:39) HarisKun: pls (00:33:40) Miki Sayaka: Hariskun Selfvote (00:33:44) ±Game: HarisKun voted for HarisKun! (00:33:50) Miki Sayaka: good, we win (00:34:05) ***(>^.^)> === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === <(^.^<) (00:34:05) Times Up! : (00:34:05) ±Game: HarisKun (King Dedede) was lynched and had to leave Dream Land! (00:34:05) *** (>^.^)> Miki Sayaka and lollycatz <(^_^)> Doing the Kirby Dance! <(^.^<) (00:34:05) ***(>^.^)> === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === <(^.^<) (00:34:07) HarisKun: lose either way Spoiler: game 2 (00:55:27) ***(>^.^)> === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === <(^.^<) (00:55:27) Times Up! : (00:55:27) The Roles have been Decided! : (00:55:27) ±Game: You are a Mass Kirby! (00:55:27) ±Game: You think I'm just a Kirby? Wrong! We are 10 Kirbies! We got split by some bad guy, so one of us can't do much. But together, our vote counts as +10! (00:55:27) ±Current Roles: Cook Kirby, Cook Kirby, King Dedede, Mass Kirby. (00:55:27) ±Current Players: DoubleD, Laxus Dreyar, Miki Sayaka, lollycatz. (00:55:27) ±Current Team: Cook Kirby, Cook Kirby, Mass Kirby (00:55:27) ±Time: Night 1 (00:55:27) Make your moves, you only have 40 seconds! : (00:55:27) ***(>^.^)> === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === <(^.^<) (00:55:34) Miki Sayaka: cook 1/2 (00:55:41) Miki Sayaka: other cook pm (00:55:45) Laxus Dreyar: cook 2/2 (00:55:49) Miki Sayaka: >pm (00:55:50) Miki Sayaka: ... (00:56:07) ***(>^.^)> === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === <(^.^<) (00:56:07) Times Up! : (00:56:07) No one died! : (00:56:07) ***(>^.^)> === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === <(^.^<) (00:56:07) ±Current Roles: Cook Kirby, Cook Kirby, King Dedede, Mass Kirby. (00:56:07) ±Current Players: DoubleD, Laxus Dreyar, Miki Sayaka, lollycatz. (00:56:07) ±Current Team: Cook Kirby, Cook Kirby, Mass Kirby (00:56:07) ±Time: Day 1 (00:56:07) You have 30 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! : (00:56:07) ***(>^.^)> === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === <(^.^<) (00:56:12) Miki Sayaka: no one died q_q (00:56:17) Miki Sayaka: Ok, everyone self-vote (00:56:18) Miki Sayaka: trust me (00:56:21) Miki Sayaka: I am mass (00:56:25) Miki Sayaka: everyone selfvote (00:56:31) Miki Sayaka: Cooks will tie each other if they do (00:56:37) ***(>^.^)> === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === <(^.^<) (00:56:37) ±Current Roles: Cook Kirby, Cook Kirby, King Dedede, Mass Kirby. (00:56:37) ±Current Players: DoubleD, Laxus Dreyar, Miki Sayaka, lollycatz. (00:56:37) ±Current Team: Cook Kirby, Cook Kirby, Mass Kirby (00:56:37) ±Time: Day 1 (00:56:37) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! : (00:56:37) ***(>^.^)> === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === <(^.^<) (00:56:38) Miki Sayaka: DDD if you don't vote I will vote you (00:56:40) Miki Sayaka: I have +10 (00:56:43) Miki Sayaka: DoubleD selfvote (00:56:44) ±Game: lollycatz voted for lollycatz! (00:56:47) ±Game: Laxus Dreyar voted for Laxus Dreyar! (00:56:51) ±Game: DoubleD voted for Miki Sayaka! (00:56:55) ±Game: Miki Sayaka voted for DoubleD! (00:56:56) ***(>^.^)> === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === <(^.^<) (00:56:56) Times Up! : (00:56:56) ±Game: DoubleD (King Dedede) was lynched and had to leave Dream Land! (00:56:56) *** (>^.^)> lollycatz, Miki Sayaka and Laxus Dreyar <(^_^)> Doing the Kirby Dance! <(^.^<) (00:56:56) ***(>^.^)> === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === <(^.^<) Spoiler: game 3 (21:45:25) ***(>^.^)> === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === <(^.^<) (21:45:25) Times Up! : (21:45:25) The Roles have been Decided! : (21:45:25) ±Game: You are a Cook Kirby! (21:45:25) ±Game: What is this? Is this the sound of your empty belly? I can give you food, but in exchange you will have to help me during the votings. A +3 vote count is enough for me, though. On a side note, please don't step over my friend Mini Kirby. I've known him for ages, and people always stomp him accidentally. (21:45:25) ±Current Roles: Cook Kirby, Cook Kirby, King Dedede, Mass Kirby. (21:45:25) ±Current Players: Ike, Miki Sayaka, Tuxedo M.A.S.K., jinora. (21:45:25) ±Current Team: Cook Kirby, Cook Kirby, Mass Kirby (21:45:25) ±Time: Night 1 (21:45:25) Make your moves, you only have 40 seconds! : (21:45:25) ***(>^.^)> === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === <(^.^<) (21:45:33) Miki Sayaka: o good (21:45:33) +Ike: ffs I hate this setup (21:45:35) Miki Sayaka: I have a plan (21:45:37) Miki Sayaka: mass here (21:45:38) +Ike: I like the standard mike jazz (21:45:40) Miki Sayaka: cooks pm (21:45:50) Miki Sayaka: we're all gonna selfvote (21:45:51) Tuxedo M.A.S.K.: killing jinora (21:45:53) Miki Sayaka: except me (21:45:56) jinora: :9 (21:45:57) Miki Sayaka: I'll vote the nonselfvoter (21:46:05) ***(>^.^)> === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === <(^.^<) (21:46:05) Times Up! : (21:46:05) ±Kirby: jinora (Cook Kirby) will not be seen in Dream Land anymore! (21:46:05) ***(>^.^)> === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === <(^.^<) (21:46:05) ±Current Roles: Cook Kirby, King Dedede, Mass Kirby. (21:46:05) ±Current Players: Ike, Miki Sayaka, Tuxedo M.A.S.K.. (21:46:05) ±Current Team: Cook Kirby, Mass Kirby (21:46:05) ±Time: Day 1 (21:46:05) You have 30 seconds to debate who are the bad guys! : (21:46:05) ***(>^.^)> === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === <(^.^<) (21:46:11) Miki Sayaka: so much for meatshielding (21:46:15) Miki Sayaka: Mass you know what to do (21:46:17) Miki Sayaka: I am selfvoting (21:46:20) Tuxedo M.A.S.K.: ... (21:46:23) Tuxedo M.A.S.K.: ike (21:46:24) Miki Sayaka: Dedede / other kirby selfvote too (21:46:25) +Ike: hi (21:46:31) Miki Sayaka: Ike are you mass y/n (21:46:35) ***(>^.^)> === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === <(^.^<) (21:46:35) ±Current Roles: Cook Kirby, King Dedede, Mass Kirby. (21:46:35) ±Current Players: Ike, Miki Sayaka, Tuxedo M.A.S.K.. (21:46:35) ±Current Team: Cook Kirby, Mass Kirby (21:46:35) ±Time: Day 1 (21:46:35) It's time to vote someone off, type /Vote [name], you only have 30 seconds! : (21:46:35) ***(>^.^)> === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === <(^.^<) (21:46:37) +Ike: no (21:46:41) Miki Sayaka: then selfvote (21:46:44) ±Game: Miki Sayaka voted for Miki Sayaka! (21:46:47) Miki Sayaka: frobat vote them if they dont (21:46:52) Miki Sayaka: go (21:46:56) ±Game: Tuxedo M.A.S.K. voted for Ike! (21:47:03) ±Game: Ike voted for Miki Sayaka! (21:47:03) ***(>^.^)> === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === <(^.^<) (21:47:03) Times Up! : (21:47:03) ±Game: Ike (King Dedede) was lynched and had to leave Dream Land! (21:47:03) *** (>^.^)> Miki Sayaka and Tuxedo M.A.S.K. <(^_^)> Doing the Kirby Dance! <(^.^<) (21:47:03) ***(>^.^)> === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === <(^.^<) (21:47:08) +Ike: another reason why (21:47:09) Tuxedo M.A.S.K.: yay (21:47:11) +Ike: nothing to it (21:47:16) +Ike: just easy shit for village (21:47:16) Miki Sayaka: ddd cant win (21:47:20) Miki Sayaka: without mass dying (21:47:21) Tuxedo M.A.S.K.: u coulda lied (21:47:22) +Ike: no kidding (21:47:24) Miki Sayaka: n (21:47:24) +Ike: no point (21:47:26) Tuxedo M.A.S.K.: :) (21:47:28) Miki Sayaka: lying as what (21:47:29) +Ike: I don't even like that setup (21:47:34) Miki Sayaka: claiming mass=vote each other (21:47:43) Tuxedo M.A.S.K.: idk just talking lol (21:47:44) Miki Sayaka: selfvoting=suicide (21:48:15) Miki Sayaka: it's unwinnable 67% of the time This setup feels a little unfair to DDD. Not sure how to fix it, but atm village need only play well to win, unless Mass dies n1.
I don't have ideas (or even motivation) to fix that either, so if no one has suggestion, it's either that or no non-peak setup.
The word "die" is missing in Marx's role info: "Becomes Empowered Marx if Mirror and Parasol Kirbys." Doesn't matter too much, but a quick fix nonetheless.
Ideally, everyone should know that Ax reveals as Sleep. The tricky part is knowing if the revealed person is Ax or an actual Sleep, since both (plus Marx Soul) are revealed as the same role. Millers doesn't exist to fool players, they exist to make inspectors less efficient, in case a theme needs to nerf them somehow.
Yeah, just played a 5p game where we only lost because the Mass Kirby didn't vote. Dedede was practically revealed though. The only way I can think to fix this would be to give Mass Kirby a vote of 6 or 7, so that if Cook selfvotes and Dedede votes him, Mass could tie at best. It would still be effective as a stronger mayor than Dedede, but break the selfvoting strategy. Mass and Gordo is the only thing to change anyways since the other roles spawn in larger games as well.