Mafia Review Themers Guidelines / Posting Guidelines (Old)

Discussion in 'Review' started by Crystal Moogle, Sep 11, 2012.

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  1. Beast

    Beast I do what I want

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    I said that putting them in their own section would be good too. I am just trying to decrease the number of threads that people have to go through. I think using them for future reference is a good idea. It will also help prove if someone just re-submitted their theme again without doing any work to it.

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    Can a theme be unapproved? I know it will happen eventually but what if a QC member goes in and declines or rejects a theme?
     
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  2. Yttrium

    Yttrium Well-Known Member Developer Developer

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    If a theme is "unapproved", it must be a serious occurrence, perhaps if a major devastating change it made. Otherwise, I think it would be extremely unlikely for a theme to get enough approvals from the QC and then be heavily disliked by the remaining QC members

    EDIT:

    I don't think there's a serious need for a theme limit now, but don't abuse this fact and spam a bunch of themes ._.
     
  3. Beast

    Beast I do what I want

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    I was thinking of the unapproval process for when there are a lot of themes accepted. This is going to be a ways down the road but I think now would be a good time to think about it. Also, I am not going to spam themes. I am actually trying to make themes to further mafia and using what little creativity I have to do it.
     
  4. TheUnknownOne

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    Can http://jsonlint.com to format code be required (initial theme only would already amazing), or at least mentioned? It massively increases readability.

    [noparse]Also, a tip: Don't wrap your code in
    Code (text):
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    tags, use
    Code (javascript):
    1.  
    to get fancy colors (sort of).[/noparse]
     
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  5. Crystal Moogle

    Crystal Moogle Ayaya~ Administrator Administrator

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    JSONlint is mentioned in the OP

    Also if you're using CODE=JAVASCRIPT, be careful if you're using the WYSIWYG editor, as when you click edit it messes up the format, as I've learned painfully in the past :x
     
  6. TheUnknownOne

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    It only says "JSON checker". Almost no one uses it to format JSON.
     
  7. Oh So Shoddy

    Oh So Shoddy Devil's Advocate

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  8. TheUnknownOne

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    Does
    Code (text):
    1.  tags break formatting or is it just me (if it is then [code="javascript"] should be required)?
     
  9. Crystal Moogle

    Crystal Moogle Ayaya~ Administrator Administrator

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    Code (text):
    1.  by itself keeps formatting fine for me
    2. [CODE]
    3. {
    4.     "a": "test",
    5.     "b": [
    6.         "test",
    7.         "test2"
    8.     ]
    9. }
    10.  
     
  10. Angel Flonne

    Angel Flonne Guest

    CM, you should change the Rice's Mafia Checker link, because Rice has updated it to his github.
     
  11. Crystal Moogle

    Crystal Moogle Ayaya~ Administrator Administrator

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  12. Beast

    Beast I do what I want

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    With the new QC members being added, is 6 approves still enough? All themes approved till now should stay approved. It is just a question.
     
  13. DatXFire

    DatXFire Never gonna use an avatar

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    Here is what OSS and I were saying about this:

    (19:58:43) DatXFire: Technically if you do the math
    (19:58:53) +Oh So Shoddy: Idk how many we even have now
    (19:58:57) DatXFire: 22
    (19:59:08) DatXFire: I just thought of this question too
    (19:59:29) +Oh So Shoddy: The reason it was 6 is because it was supposed to be 1/3
    (19:59:31) +Oh So Shoddy: I think
    (19:59:36) +Oh So Shoddy: That number would now be 7
    (19:59:40) DatXFire: yeah
    (19:59:58) +Oh So Shoddy: And the max number of declines would have to be... 8
    (20:00:18) +Oh So Shoddy: Since 15-8 would still result in a +7 vote
    (20:00:28) DatXFire: Sounds good.
     
  14. Katia

    Katia Haxy Haxy!

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    7 sounds good to me.
     
  15. Angel Flonne

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    So, Vepix can only afford 1 more decline.
     
  16. Tesla Elesa

    Tesla Elesa Almost Quality

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    Oh god please no not seven.

    The only odd numbers that you can use are multiples of 5, else my OCD meter goes crazy.
     
  17. Beast

    Beast I do what I want

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    Would you rather it be eight Tesla? That would make getting a theme through take another week. :P
     
  18. Oh So Shoddy

    Oh So Shoddy Devil's Advocate

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    Yes. Let's use 15 as the approval mark. This way we can keep Tesla happy. What say ye?
     
  19. Beast

    Beast I do what I want

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    If we have to go up I vote we do 8 not 15. This would still make Tesla happy. :)
     
  20. Angel Flonne

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    15! 15! 15! 15! :D
    Jk let's use 7
    /sadism
     
  21. TheUnknownOne

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    Many themes don't even have 1 approval yet..
     
  22. Demonic Cake

    Demonic Cake The cake is not a lie...

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    Can't we just make it 6 and be done with it until we get enough people to warrant 8? I think 6 is high enough as is, seeing as Dedede's thread's been up for over 24 hours and only got one, non-QC post :x (though does that mean people can't find anything to bug me about?)
     
  23. Dark Phoenix

    Dark Phoenix Multidimensional Hero

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    nb4 everyone forgets QC is full of people who do indeed have a life and juggle this among other things :p

    - also, contrary to the mathematics and logistics I think 6 is fine as of right now. As we have it now - QC is quite behind in where I thought it was meant to be and there are still 'jet lag' periods in which work/review needs to be done. I am not a saint in this remark however I do think that raising it beyond 6 would be detrimental in the short term as of right now and until QC is revamped and improved to be an autonomous and independent system then we/you can change the limit in which approvals are. But that's just my POV of the situation for short-term eg right now. Whereas I do agree long-term the bar should be raised.
     
  24. SteelEdges

    SteelEdges The Poll Dancer

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    We would be going up, but Saltopus has quit Mafia QC and we'll still be at 6.
     
  25. Fegelein

    Fegelein The Mechanic

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    There is in fact only 15 QC members, while it says 19 in the topic.
     
  26. SteelEdges

    SteelEdges The Poll Dancer

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    I've already fixed.
     
  27. Jalmont

    Jalmont nothere

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    Would it be possible to create a default thread so we can discuss possible changes? I mean I know it is default, but I think the whole issue of the conspirator needs to be addressed, especially after a game I played where the village lost with 7 people left in the game...
     
  28. Oh So Shoddy

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    Here you go.
     
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  29. Oh So Shoddy

    Oh So Shoddy Devil's Advocate

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    The number of QC members seem to be ever-changing. Has it not occurred to any of you doing the updating to inform the (mafia) community on who has been added to the review team?
     
  30. SteelEdges

    SteelEdges The Poll Dancer

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    Although they could check the thread, that might not be too well; posting a quick notice in the channel might be nice.
     
  31. Beast

    Beast I do what I want

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    I was wondering how many themes is to many themes? Right now we have 35 themes on the channel. Is there a number that when we hit we are going to start talking about what themes to remove? If not then sooner or later we are going to have to many themes. I know people complain about how long it takes to approve themes but I think this has been active for a little over 2 months and we already have a lot of themes. At this rate we might hit 50 by the end of the year. I am not saying we need to do something now but I think that soon we need to decide some sort of system to get rid of the themes.
     
  32. Oh So Shoddy

    Oh So Shoddy Devil's Advocate

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    I don't think any of the users who've submitted themes and have had them approved would appreciate them being removed. 50 themes sound like an incredibly large amount to choose from. At this rate we'll have to re-implement the random selection offered after using /start, which isn't too bad an idea if the themes are played at equal intervals.
     
  33. Beast

    Beast I do what I want

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    I know it would suck to have your theme removed but it also sucks to have it rejected. I knew when this started that eventually there would be the chance my theme would be removed. I think it is to soon for any to be removed. Maybe at the start of next year we remove some or at least start thinking about it. I am just suggesting we come up with a way to determine what themes, if any, will be removed from the channel. Sooner or later there is going to be an issue of to m any themes.
     
  34. IceKirby

    IceKirby A.K.A. RiceKirby

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    Ok, some important questions.

    1. There was 17 QC members until some days ago, now there are 18. If I'm not mistaken, jalmost was added, but the real question is: Will we get actual updates when QC staff and/or rules changes? It's quite annoying having to read the entire opening post every time just to find if something changed.

    2. Rules says a theme needs over 50% of QC Staff approving a theme. With the current 18 QC members, that means a theme needs 10 approvals to get in. But then something else changed in the opening post, and now Oak, Bebbs and SteelEdges are listed as "Senior QC members", which would increase the number QC members to 21 (and thus the number of approvals needed to 11). So, are those 3 also counted for the "50% of QC Staff" number? And if yes, could the opening post make this more clear?

    3. With the current number of approvals needed set to 50% of QC Staff, is really needed to keep the "Declines count as a -1 vote" rule? With the current rule, it basically means a theme needs 50% of the votes to get approved or simply 25% to get declined, which, IMO, makes it harder for submitters to even get proper feedback.
     
  35. Oh So Shoddy

    Oh So Shoddy Devil's Advocate

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    Declines don't retract approvals anymore since each theme simply requires majority vote to be accepted. When it says rejections count against approval this simply means it pushes votes that way. The number of approvals doesn't change.
     
  36. SteelEdges

    SteelEdges The Poll Dancer

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    BebbZ and I are in the midst of discussing the guidelines to reflect 2 and 3, but I can assure you that all changes will from this point be posted here. Do not hesitate to ask about/mention anything else.
     
  37. SteelEdges

    SteelEdges The Poll Dancer

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    Water has resigned from QC; Lightwind has been removed. The total for approval is now 8.
     
  38. IceKirby

    IceKirby A.K.A. RiceKirby

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    I think this QC System need an inactivity rule. It's kind of lame to see all those old threads getting bumped for a decline because of inactivity.
    Also, if that author decided to come back, they would have some trouble to revert all those declines that were made. And that sounds lame when those declines have more to do with inactivity than with the theme's potential.

    I'd suggest this rule as "Thread is closed if 30 days without any update has passed since some QC member posted any decline or pointed important things to be fixed." That should also include the possibility to request the thread to be re-open in case the author comes back.
     
  39. Tesla Elesa

    Tesla Elesa Almost Quality

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    Oh what? Lightwind was (and always will be) best mod.
     
  40. Sky Sentinel

    Sky Sentinel You see?

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