[ADV] Can we get Freeze Clause back in ADV?

Discussion in 'Past Gens Discussion' started by Meteor64, Aug 26, 2012.

  1. Meteor64

    Meteor64 TM1337 Falcon Punch

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    http://pokemon-online.eu/forums/showthread.php?11760-Can-we-get-freeze-clause-back-in-GSC
    ^read that if you havent

    Continue topic, with only ADV in mind.

    Honestly I have no idea why it isn't in ADV anymore, as far as I can see there was no-one clamoring for it to be gone, and I feel it's pretty ridiculous that Freeze clause was removed from all gens as a blanket lift with no consideration to the reasons as to why it existed in them in the first place. ADV has the smallest case for advocating Freeze Clause but it still needs it and no-one is going to benefit from not having it.
     
  2. shrapn3l

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    freeze clause activate!
     
  3. eric the espeon

    eric the espeon is an espeon.

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    I do object. Again, the starting point is the minimalist ruleset. In order to add any rules they must be justified. And as you admit, in gen 3 freeze is not a major issue. There's no strong argument to violate game mechanics.
     
  4. Meteor64

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    I did NOT say it was not a major issue, just smaller than it is in the other two gens. ADV is still relatively prone to double freeze, moreso than DPP which is where the original case to remove Freeze Clause was made.
     
  5. shrapn3l

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    i will grant that there needs be justification to add a rule, but what is your justification for removing a rule from adv without asking any adv players? again, freeze clause was a rule in XD, Colosseum, in most tournaments on Netbattle, and was mandatory at Journey Across America. it was always a rule before adv came out as well. it was not "added" when adv came out, it was carried over from previous gens and no one saw any reason to remove it, not even nintendo themselves! so, not seeing any violation here, not that anyone should have to prove such a thing anyway because the rule was removed from adv without consulting any adv players as if what the shoddy auth decided was applicable to their dp ladder was also automatically applicable to every game that came before it, even though they had nothing to do with those games. it was not just added on a whim without justification for adv, and it was not removed with any sort of justification from adv. it was removed with justification from dp. i can see why it was removed for dp with the advent of wifi, just like i can see why they completely revolutionized the way they structured the bl, uu, and nu tiers, and decided to allow nfe pokemon in said metagames. however, those changes do not get applied automatically to all previous games, because their applications to those games were not discussed and certainly not justified. you do not play old games with rulesets from the future.
     
  6. zeroality

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    That's a good point. We'll need to consider this, but let's wait until after the Ingrain and OU/BL tiering stuff.

    That way it can be discussed without so many other ADV distractions ongoing.
     
  7. M Dragon

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    so what happens with this
     
  8. Luck>Skill

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    We wait until someone that can change the tiers does this

    I'll notify an owner
     
  9. Professor Oak

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    I'm gonna be ignoring the NB tournaments thing and stressing the JAA ruling as the reason why Freeze Clause should be readded to Gen 3.

    Nintendo enforced it, and it exists in other games. Should be re-added imo.
    yeah, this post is lacking compared to some of my others, don't really care. My opinion is my opinion.