[NOC] Final Fantasy: Tactics Advance NOC Mafia - Postgame

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  1. LördKX

    LördKX Archivist of Memories

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    so Nexus, let me get your reasoning straight; we, a village with most probably one PR <you> left, a mafia with one-two members left, and a wolf, should mass claim, and everybody who claims townie is suspicious? While yes, the wolf and mafia will claim townie, please tell me what the actual vanilagers are supposed to claim to separate themselves from the scum that claim.
     
  2. "Bad To The Bone" Balla

    "Bad To The Bone" Balla so B.A.D.

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    well the mafia team does have communication outside this thread in a quicktopic afaik
     
  3. Marcello.

    Marcello. Ethereal Horizon

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    I find it unlikely that there are any more than one scum member left, alongside a single killing role. More than two killing roles left would essentially choke the village out on kills alone, and any mislynches would be game over.
     
  4. LördKX

    LördKX Archivist of Memories

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    @TSO, what exactly is your point? Are you saying that in server mafia, you PM a teammate saying "sorry bud, but I'm gonna rand you out to clean myself," and then do it no matter what the teammate says? I think if you're going to kill off a teammate and remove them from the game, there's really no point in PMing them. Correct me if I'm wrong. Also, considering the level of experience people like Meow and Fitzy have, I think if one acted hostile towards the other, that they would catch on to the strategy quickly, meaning there would be no need to PM before doing it.
     
  5. Nexus

    Nexus Legend Killer

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    We don't have mafia with 1-2 members and a wolf left. Probably just one killer left since only one kill last night.(Unless they decided not to kill or the PL'ed IFM was denied) I'll go with you KX, what do you suggest we do?
     
  6. Marcello.

    Marcello. Ethereal Horizon

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    What I want to point out about this is that Fitzy wasn't killed. MeowMix explicitly told us on the day he "revealed" Fitzy that Fitzy would be the next death (as shown in the quote below). What this tells me is that either our suspicions are right and Fitzy is the final scum, or that Fitzy is a village aligned role. I find it highly unlikely Fitzy actually is any sort of a lone role, given if we're believing the scum have an inspecting role, then it is more likely that Fitzy is a village aligned role. MeowMix incriminating him was either a bid to redirect the vote that day, or a means to redirect suspicion. Both of these would make sense from Meow's point of view, and I would not put it past either Meow or Fitzy to be able to pull something like this off.

     
  7. Archerknight

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    MeowMix did a lot at the end... Similar to fitzy, he said this about jalmont:

    My feeling is that this is probably reverse psychology, and jalmont is not scum. However, he could still be the lone role.

    It's hard to really tell if Meowmix was using reverse psychology on Fitzy. The Mafia most likely are connected, but it's hard to pull of a stunt like that without leading the person being investigated.
     
  8. LördKX

    LördKX Archivist of Memories

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    well, I could easily be wrong, but this is the way I see it. N1, we have two kills. The first one hits a mafia, the second a village. If the village had a killer, it would not have higher priority then the mafia, and therefore we know there is a solo role. N2, we have one death, a near-confirmed village PR, so they could easily have been targeted by both killers. D3, we learn that the mafia had a doctor, which confirms for us that there are other killer. <why have a doctor if you're the only killer?>, and it is claimed that Fitzy is the solo. N3, we have one kill, and IFM was distracted. Now, what are the possibilities for this: as I see it, these are the thing up for debate: Is fitzy a solo with a kill and distract, and why was there one kill last night. If fitzy is not a solo, then we know nothing of the solo, if he is, then we know the solo has a distract. Now we move on to the part that actually lets us get somewhere; why was there only 1 kill. The reason for one kill are that a killer was distracted <by the village or solo>, there where only two mafia to begin with, or extremely against the odds kill selection. Because the second two options are highly unlikely, the first is really the one I think we should take a risk on. I say we lynch Fitzy. If he is a solo with a distract, then we know it's possible for him to have distracted the real last mafia, and if he isn't solo, the whole thing about the solo having a distract was probably bs, and so we lynch IFM, since then him being mafia and having been distracted is the most likely scenario. Admittedly all this is based on a long shot, but considering the current stand-still situation and a lack of info it's my opinion that it has the highest chance for success. If you have any questions, complaints, or other ideas, feel free to voice them. Also, sorry if some of this doesn't make sense or is badly worded, it's 2:24 AM and I can barely think.
     
  9. LördKX

    LördKX Archivist of Memories

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    and fuck, re-reading this it looks like it makes little sense. I guess I'll try to explain better after I sleep.
     
  10. Nexus

    Nexus Legend Killer

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    That makes great sense for me. The game would have started with 3 Mafia and a lone killer in most cases. 2 mafia are dead and probably 2 killers remain. Why was there one kill last night?

    a) Both killers aimed for the same person

    b)One was PL'ed

    c) The blaster ability of the lone killer which can distract mafia(so says meowmix)
     
  11. two sides of one coin

    two sides of one coin sick of all her shit

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    If you knew the teammate was being PL'd I'm sure any reasonable player would agree to it.
     
  12. two sides of one coin

    two sides of one coin sick of all her shit

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    Imo fitzy is a maybe. IFM was PL'd and only 1 kill. I would still suspect him more than fitzy.
     
  13. Marcello.

    Marcello. Ethereal Horizon

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    Except IFM was berating us for closing the day phase in which MeowMix was lynched early. He wanted to extend the day phase so we could debate possible scum more, and no scum would want to keep the day phase open. What makes it interesting is that he was the only player lobbying for the day phase to stay open - chances are any scum members had already submitted their vote for MeowMix to try and close off the phase quicker.
     
  14. two sides of one coin

    two sides of one coin sick of all her shit

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    Or, he was Meow's teammate. It's a possibility.
     
  15. IFM

    IFM HODOR HODOR HODOR

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    It was inevitable he was being lynched so it's not like I could save him even if I got you fucks to actually play with some common sense and extend the day phase. The village is at its strongest during the day. There is no need to rush into the night phase until we have had time to discuss things, like who power roles should be on, etc. Instead you guys completely rushed it and put us at a disadvantage. Now if you want to lynch me feel free, but know that doing so will basically kill the villages chances. We can't afford to mislynch right now so we shouldn't lynch until we have a target everyone is happy with.
     
  16. fitzy

    fitzy Heart of the cards Forum Moderator Forum Moderator

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    Lynch TheSexiOne

    More as a prod but I've been looking at your post http://pokemon-online.eu/forums/search.php?searchid=311025 and even though theres a lot of them I can't actually find much more than 1-2 liners with no substance, calling out a lot of users without that much explanation.

    Care to offer why?
     
  17. IFM

    IFM HODOR HODOR HODOR

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    The link is borked
     
  18. Archerknight

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    Better link: http://pokemon-online.eu/forums/search.php?searchid=311085

    One of TSO's main defences is that he claimed Vanillager before the role PM came out for a Vanillager, which probably should have been there to start with:

    He was very eager to claim to start with (see NOC signup thread)

    ~Sleep.
     
  19. Nicehat

    Nicehat PO client damage calc: preview.tinyurl.com/o8e7hss

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    Votecount:

    Jalmont (1): RedJoker25
    Redjoker25 (3): TheSexiOne, Vintage Books, Jalmont
    TheSexiOne (1): fitzy
    Not voting (5): LordKX, IFM, Archerknight, Marcello., Nexus

    With 10 players remaining, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
     
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  20. two sides of one coin

    two sides of one coin sick of all her shit

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    Right.
    I claimed Vanillager, yes. Archer saying "he was very eager to claim" was probably due to the fact that I was a little annoyed I had got worthless Villy.
    I prodded people to see their defenses. Usually they gave satisfactory ones, however various people I prodded eg MeowMix flipped scum.
     
  21. Marcello.

    Marcello. Ethereal Horizon

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    You tried to say my defense was lackluster and you post that yourself?

    Honestly, I am beginning to worry about how much you are contributing. Even when suspicion is cast on you, you can only really provide "I claimed Vanillager", and then give a really basic overview of what you've done in the game so far. Do you have anything substantial to say?
     
  22. Archerknight

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    Question Time!

    @TheSexiOne - Who do you think is most suspicious now, after all your prodding. What are your opinions on everyone?

    @Jalmont - Do you have any justification for your unsuccessful lynch against PokeWorldBW?
     
  23. Nicehat

    Nicehat PO client damage calc: preview.tinyurl.com/o8e7hss

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    Clearly there's a problem if it's been a day and I'm supposed to prod 70% of the game because they haven't posted anything at all today.

    Tentative deadline is September 15 (Saturday) at 8 PM EST. If majority isn't reached by then, the Day will end with no lynches.

    If one post a day (idc about their content) is impossible for people because of school or whatnot, I'll consider being more lax on activity. PM me with your opinions/situations.

    I'll send prods tomorrow if people still haven't posted yet, it's getting late for me right now.

    I'm not going to sub out half the game this late in, so if the majority of people can't play then the game may have to be cancelled.
     
  24. Jalmont

    Jalmont nothere

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    Read the thread archer i've already posted my justification.

    on the whole, i think RJ is the best lynch atm just due to his overall level of activity. He has been making helpful posts, yet the infrequency of them means that it appears he shows up and makes "good" and then flys back under the radar. Just my thoughts, although again Archer could be another mafia.

    Sticking with my vote on RJ for now
     
  25. RedJoker25

    RedJoker25 Resident Lurker Server Moderator Article Contributor Server Moderator Article Contributor

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    Part II of my game recap. Begins at Page 5:

    I make a couple of posts regarding my inactivity. VB posts a response to jal's questions and ends by prodding fitzy. IFM posts about his inactivity and continues prodding fitzy as well. PWBW posts about inactivity. Marcello. posts a response to PWBW's claiming comment. Fege posts 'I am not scum', to which VB replies saying that's scummy. Fege thinks about claiming; VB says don't. Fitzy remarks about his activity and experience. VB comments, then Nicehat posts a vote count. A few people prod Bebbz; Jiggles prods Water. More prods for Hobbes and Bebbz. Bebbz posts about activity and general player styles [or lack thereof]. Meow comments to various players. KX and Meow discuss the similarities between NOC and other types of Mafia. PWBW prods Water. Activity post by Archer, Marcello tries to unify the voting. Prod for Hobbes. Water comments on Fege, IFM, and VB. Vote Count/Hobbes sub posted. VB suggests Water/Bebbz gets lynched. Marc defends Fege on account of treating it like other Mafia types. Bebbz comments on others' inactivity and questions Fege. Xinc subs in and TSO reminds us to decide a lynch. Archer subs his vote [Hobbes -> Xinc]. Brief discussion on the merit of the lynch. Bandwagon on Xinc, jal steps in as 'leader' again, saying the next two to vote Xinc are scum because he doesn't like the bandwagon. Nexus/KX comment on lynch. Votecount posted. Fege votes Xinc, Archer switches to Fitzy. Water comments on Fege's vote and the deadline. Nexus prods Fitzy. jal assumes command by saying he'll tell people to claim. IFM continues Fitzy prod but remarks about Fege's play. TSO comments on jal's aggressive style and possible manipulation. Meow unvotes Xinc to avoid a lynch. TSO makes some random LYNCH CHAOSPENGUIN posts. Xinc prods PWBW with no explanation. People ask for the reasoning. Xinc responds by saying it was an attempt to tie, claims he's good, and unvotes PWBW. Fitzy reaffirms his style and continues to prod Xinc. IFM questions Xinc and Bebbz. Brief discussion on Fege's vote, Xinc's defense, and TSO's deleted posts. KX unvotes, Water defends TSO's delete. Bebbz mentions he'd likely vote Fege. Meow votes Fege, Archer decides not to change his vote. VB comments on inactivity, calls out Xinc prodders, and changes vote to Fege. KX changes to Fege. jal uses hyperbole to assert his idea of keeping the day going. KX questions, jal responds, continuing to act as leader. Bebbz posts an agreement with Jal. Meow officially asks Nicehat about night-talking. Fege claims he will claim. Suspicion about Fege arises. Marcello explains why claiming is bad. TSO agrees. Vote count posted with deadline extension. Nexus votes Fege. Fege responds with a defense and prods IFM. IFM comments on Fege's defense. Xinc votes Fege. Fege claims. Discussion on who to vote. Fitzy and Xinc vote each other. Fege unvotes. jal re-evaluates xinc, bebbz, and fitzy. KX unvotes. [/hide]

    Yeah, stopping at the end of Page 7 since I still have a lab report to finish. Comments:

    Not much to say...lots of vote changing because of claims, defenses and whatnot. A few posts on activity levels and style. Only post I found interesting was an instance of TSO pointing out jal being extremely vocal [bolded above] which is only interesting because a) it went unnoticed as far as I can tell and b) he's become passive [which reiterates what I've said in my last few posts]. I'd like to remind everyone that jalmont's 'justification' was:

    No scumtells, no information. Just 'Sorry'.

    That said, I'm keeping my prod even though jalmont no longer seems to care let alone try to manipulate/lead. Reasoning: I'm not seeing much else to go on and jalmont still hasn't provided an adequate defense. I don't think I'm the only one who thinks this either:

     
  26. Jalmont

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    I don't have an adequate defense for the vote because there is nothing more to say. I thought he was mafia, i voted him, people followed, he was lynched, he was villager, i was wrong. nothing really left to say
     
  27. RedJoker25

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    Not just a defense for the vote, but for activity levels, change in playstyle, everything.
     
  28. Jalmont

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    School started, I'm hosting another game, playing in two (three?) other mafia games, and am just in general lazy. Interesting that ARcherknight never responded to my accusations of being mafia. Also starting to suspect vintage books for playing a helpful, under the radar style game.

    @Everyone
    Compare VB and Archer's gamestyle to MeowMix.

    Does this comparision if similar raise any suspicions? Why or why not?

    Please be thoughtful in your answer. One sentence answers are unaccetable. I want to see thoughtful reasoning, and complex sentences from all of you!
     
  29. Archerknight

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    Why don't you compare it instead of asking everyone else, you're under a lot of pressure... I never answered to your mafia accusation....maybe because I haven't been online since?? I'm posting on my phone, and am about to go to school, but I'm beginning to suspect jalmont more... Didn't post for 45 hours. Now I got to go. Exp lain later
     
  30. fitzy

    fitzy Heart of the cards Forum Moderator Forum Moderator

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    Prodding other mafia friends would be the first thing I would do if I was Mafia. That said Unvote for now. It seems people have different targets for now.
     
  31. "Bad To The Bone" Balla

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    well. village basically loses if we dont lynch someone now though :/ I am not being scummylynchhungry but we really cant afford to not lynch.

    I think it may be time for me to claim. This may kill the village idk, but we are in a sticky spot so this may get us some info that we need to help us lynch the right person.

    DISCLAIMER: this by no means cleans people, but it helps us to assume they are villagers idk.

    I am basically a follower, or hunter if you want to talk in FF language. I can use hunting on a user to find out who they targeted that night, and thoughout this game i have successfully targetted 3 players, and all 3 have not targeted anyone on each respective night.

    Night 1 LordKX did not target anyone
    Night 2 jalmont did not target anyone
    Night 3 fitzy did not target anyone

    surely this narrows it down. Last night there was 1 death. night before 1 death and the first night 2 deaths. yet no killers have been seen to have died so far. This leads me to believe one user had either a 1 time kill that they used night 1 or they have been lying low to cause confusion and not killing. but yeah. this somewhat narrows it down, to IFM, marcello., RJ25, Nexus and Archer for possible scum (I have counted Sexi as village because tbh i dont think a scum would be confident or stupid enough to claim villy straight off the bat.

    while not exactly cleaning those 3 it does narrow it down I think
     
  32. LördKX

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    You could be right about that one killer chose not to kill N3, meaning we might still not want to assume fitzy is clean. I find it unlikely though that a solo/vigi with a one-time kill would use it N1 though. Well, of those five, Nexus is probably clean since nobody has counter-claimed. IFM was distracted last night, but that isn't proof of anything, however, it seems like he might be a good option. If not him, RJ really doesn't seem scummy to me, same with Marcello.. So probably we'll want to lynch IFM or Archer? Just imo.
     
  33. fitzy

    fitzy Heart of the cards Forum Moderator Forum Moderator

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    That actually helps a lot great. One thing I'd like to point out is:

     
  34. fitzy

    fitzy Heart of the cards Forum Moderator Forum Moderator

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    BS no editing rule, lets just assume thats a quote =/
     
  35. two sides of one coin

    two sides of one coin sick of all her shit

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    I am really fucking tired right now, so excuse this post if it needs to be.
    To be quite blunt, I had nothing substantial to say. There was nothing substantial to say. On my defense, what the fuck do you want me to say? I don't think, perhaps, I should say "I will attempt to unite the Viillage and get revealed as bad!" There was nothing going on at all, so I prodded, and then you turned on me for no reason. Your style there was to turn on me for no reason. You were also defended by various scum. Maybe you should defend yourself, instead of horning on and on with comments like "Oh, jalmont, I wouldn't blame you at all with the skill drop recently!"

    @Archerknight: certain people have really lost activity, like IFM. VB's reveal is a potential gamechanger. If he's lying, it was quite the bluff. If however he's telling the truth, then we can narrow our suspicions down.
     
  36. two sides of one coin

    two sides of one coin sick of all her shit

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    I think I should apologise for that post...:x

    /rage
     
  37. IFM

    IFM HODOR HODOR HODOR

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    Of course my activity died down. Up until Vintage's post we had nothing to go off of and the thread was just going around in circles. Now it seems I'm one of the two "big" possibilities of a lynch. I would love to post more right now, but I have about 3 hours of Spanish due tomorrow that is more important at the moment.
     
  38. Marcello.

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    So right now, our options are actually quite narrow. Nexus claimed Hooker, Vintage's claim appears to clean himself, KX, Fitzy and Jalmont, Sexi's early claim makes me think he is villager. That leaves myself, IFM, Archerknight and RedJoker. I personally think I have posted enough defenses so far, but if anyone wants me to post another I don't really have much of a problem with that. However, I think at this point in time RedJoker seems like the safest lynch. His sudden activity of late has literally been giving a piece by piece commentary on the early game (which isn't really that helpful at all), and to pick up on evidence against Jalmont specifically. This makes me feel he may well be trying to coax us into hammering Jalmont over himself, especially given this activity spike came at the time we began to suspect him.

    Due to this, I am going to vote RedJoker25, however I would ask others not to put their vote onto him until we all come to a unified decision, as one more vote (bringing it to 5) simply means any other scum can add a vote (coming to majority) and instantly end the day phase.
     
  39. two sides of one coin

    two sides of one coin sick of all her shit

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    Just to Unvote so some idiot doesn't tip the voting and end the day.
     
  40. Archerknight

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    So I have some free time now, and I am also a major lynching candidate because of Vintage's claim.

    I think that I've contributed as much I can to the village side, and have attempted to start discussions when activity was... dead. I have justified all my decisions, and have worked pro-village throughout the game. I've already really said my defence last night, and there's nothing really more to add except for a claim. We still have 3-4 days to discuss what we want.