Keldeo Usual Forme that knows Secret Sword is Illegal With Therain Formes

Discussion in 'Implemented' started by Dånte, Aug 7, 2012.

  1. Dånte

    Dånte Member

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    Not sure if I should post this here or in the bugs section. Keldeo in Usual Forme that know the move Secret Sword should be illegal if Therian Formes are on the same team. This is because Therian Formes are only available in BW2 and as such, Keldeo knowing Secret Sword has to appear in Resolute Forme. In addition to this, if your opponent is using a BW2 cartridge, and you are using BW1 and have Keldeo Usual Forme with secret sword, then your opponent will still see your Keldeo as being in Resolute Forme. This means that all teams that include Therian formes should be assumed as using a BW2 cartridge and Keldeos that know Secret Sword would be forced to view that Keldeo as being in Resolute Forme.

    The reason I feel this is important is because if people opt to use a physical Keldeo, then they would appear in Usual Forme and that would clue you in to the move set. Conversely you could even implement further strategies by bluffing a Physical Set and using Focus Blast over Secret Sword. And if PO takes the stance that all people are assumed to be using BW2 cartidges then this should be the way it should appear.

    There is also something I have not been able to confirm but am curious about. Does the BW1 game allow to you identify Therian Formes or does it simply say that they are Landorus/Thundurus/Tornadus? Because if so, then people running Keldeo Usual Forme with Secret Sword should be unable to identify the whether Incarnate or Therian Formes are being used in battle. The only identifiable one would be Thundurus Incarnate Forme since it is banned in Wifi OU.
     
  2. chippymunk

    chippymunk Bran-ed

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    Is keldeo even available in normal forme with secret sword?
     
  3. Dånte

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    Yes but only on a BW1 cartridge, thus making it illegal to be used with the Therian Formes.
     
  4. Shiny Rayquaza

    Shiny Rayquaza Your nightmare!

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    I don't that the BW1 games will identify Therian Landorus/Thundurus/Tornadus, If a player with Black 2 and a player with Black is trading, Thundurus/Tornadus/Landorus would turn into their Incarnate forms before the trade begins (Like Giratina-O and Sky Shaymin in D/P/PT).
     
  5. Darklight

    Darklight Nothing is True

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    While you are correct, I think since the Resolute forme is merely a sprite change it doesn't really matter and many people like to use Normal Keldeo instead of the resolute one. It's the same thing with different Sawsbuck formes on the same team, which cannot be done ingame but is allowed here.
     
  6. Dånte

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    Nah it isn't a simple sprite change. If Keldeo is in Resolution Forme then it has to know Secret Sword. On the other hand if it is in Usual Forme it does not know secret sword. This is a pretty big difference and is especially important for identifying gimmick sets. Sawsbuck doesn't require a specific move to be in any of its forms and is purely aesthetic, especially since the player can change his or her date on the DS in order to get the desired form.

    Edit: Assuming you are using a BW2 cartridge.