[BW2] BW2 OU Potential Suspects Thread

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  1. Finchinator

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    The special set hits like a truck.
    Relying on Focus Blast isn't really a great argument against something and HP Ice is used for Dragonite, Landorus(-T), Gliscor, Salamence, and Thundurus(-T) all of which are OHKOd after Rocks, so even if you consider it "weak," it's effective as a coverage move.
    With everything taken into consideration, Sheer Force Landorus has few to no switch-ins and everything that can answer it's arsenal of commonly used special moves is still hurt pretty significantly by U-turn, physical attacks, or even HP Ice!!!
    Then, if you take it's lesser-common, but still potent Sand Force sets into the conversation, it really has a pretty decent answer to nearly everything.
    Oh and No, they don't need Sand with Landorus'es base 125 Attack and StoneQuake coverage.
    I use Scarf Sheer Force Landorus on a Hail Team in Early BW2 to great success, sand isn't mandatory for it.
     
  2. magicmonkey

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    Whilst latio@s can revenge the special set, if its weakened down to 60% from a few rocks switches and resisted hits (like moving in on a volt switch or something) it goes down. Whereas the physical set either needs to 2 turns to boost, or is revenged so much easier as alot of things have base speed>102 and can hit it for a lot of damage if not OHKO. however against a stall team this guy can wall break, probably netting a KO and weakening the physical wall before getting phased/weakened.
    scarf lando/E-belt landorus are also threats, but more so only because THE OTHER SETS ARE BETTER so they are not expected.
     
  3. Dr. Doom

    Dr. Doom Long time hater of stall

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    As you said yourself Finch, having no safe switch ins doesn't make a Pokemon broken. If it did, Hydreigon would have been suspected a long time ago.
     
  4. Finchinator

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    Yes, but if you have no switch-ins, great speed, and this versatility...
    Even in an offensive-filled metagame, Landorus-I screams Suspect Me!


    And @ MagicMonkey,
    Saying that other Landorus sets > physical Scarf/E-Belt is comparing apples and oranges. One may fit in, while the other does not (into a team, playstyle, etc.)
     
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    Landorus honestly needs a suspect, though I don't think it's broken, it's movepool and amount of options it can run makes it a hard to counter Pokemon, even though I said some Mons that can check it. I don't think it's broken enough for Ubers, but it could do a suspect. Also, Keldeo could use a suspect. Specs Keldeo under Rain practically can 2 hit most of the OU tier, making it a force worth to be reckoned.
     
  6. Sinclair

    Sinclair Call me the Pokemon Demigod

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    Keldeo does not deserve a suspect. There is no reason to suspect a pokemon with the amount of checks/counters that Keldeo has in the meta.
     
  7. Dr. Doom

    Dr. Doom Long time hater of stall

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    It doesn't have great speed. 101 is good but not outstanding. Suspects should be done when a Pokémon breaks a particular metagame or makes a particular playstyle unviable. What play style does Landorus hurt? There are stronger attackers in the tier. Latios is faster, has better special attack and nothing immune to its Dragon STAB. Why do we need to suspect a Pokemon that isn't broken (again)?
     
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    So does this mean we suspected something not broken before?
     
  9. ZoroDark

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    Comparing Landorus-I with Hydreigon doesn't go up that well. They both boast not having any strict counters, but that's where the comparison stops. Landorus is only a few speed points faster, but it makes such a difference in this OU metagame. It can boost its Speed as well, unlike Hydreigon.

    If you ask which playstyle Landorus severely hurts, I could answer with "all of them" and not be lying. It's really hard, and close to impossible to check for stall. Chansey/Blissey can be worn down easily. Celebi becomes a non-factor if Landorus has U-turn. Latias is the easiest thing for Tyranitar to trap. I think that's about it for common "counters". It's also a huge pain for Sun to face. If you're not running Cresselia, Venusaur only needs a little bit of prior damage before Rock Polish Landorus will go to town.

    The part that makes Landorus suspect worthy is the fact that it doesn't need a Choice Specs. Keldeo is only capable of breaking walls in Rain with Choice Specs. SpDef Jellicent still isn't 2HKO'd by a Choice Specs Hidden Power Ghost. Landorus, on the other hand, can switch moves freely, without even taking LO damage (unless you're using HP Ice, which is one of its four moves).
     
  10. Dr. Doom

    Dr. Doom Long time hater of stall

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    You're acting like it can run all its sets at once. While no Pokémon can counter (or even check to a lesser extent) every Landorus, each set has its distinct checks and counters. That's what makes it manageable, ergo not broken, in OU. Due to its poor bulk it has a hard time switching in on anything but Ground and Electric moves. Water moves are very common, and there are a lot of Pokemon immune to its STAB meaning it has to rely on inaccurate (albeit powerful) coverage moves like Stone Edge and Focus Blast. It's also outsped by pretty much every scarfer (before Rock Polish obv) and most strong neutral moves can often OHKO after a round of Stealth Rock. Smogon summed up very well why it's not broken:

     
  11. Sinclair

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    Dr. Doom, why is it that in almost every single post you make about a suspect test you say "We have banned things that weren't broken" Deo-D/Torn-T were deserving and you complaining about it in all of your posts wont change this. Obviously Lando is outsped by scarfers but with access to Rock Polish it can outspeed the entire tier easily. Also, you say it has poor bulk but 89/90/90 isnt all too bad and with proper investment (which is viable because it can abuse rock polish) Lando can live most attacks especially most priority other than Ice shard.
     
  12. Dr. Doom

    Dr. Doom Long time hater of stall

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    The problem with Landorus is that anything that can survive one of its attacks and hit it back with a strong neutral move can often OHKO. Its bulk isn't terrible, but it's not exactly good either. This means you can only really switch it in on moves it's immune to or on pure walls, and even then it won't like Toxic one bit. Yes you could run more HP EVs due to Rock Polish, but that's a risky business since it'll be outrun by max speed neutral natured base 100s, and it won't get the chance to boost every time it comes in. Landorus doesn't really have any counters so to speak, but again that doesn't make a Pokemon broken. It has plenty of checks, and if a Pokemon has enough viable Pokemon that can reliably check it, that to me says not broken.

    On a side note Zodiak, the reason I was pissed off with the Deoxys-D/Tornadus-T ban was because no one was complaining they were broken before Smogon banned them, but after that everyone was suddenly pointing out how broken they were.
     
  13. Nikitas

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    You are mistaken. As far as Torn-T is concerned, quite a few people had expressed their thought about its brokeness before Smogon put up a Suspect thread. Now, Deo-D was overlooked and personally i believe that people who banned it were just lazy to play around it. Landorus is about the same as Deo-D, suddenly smogon suspects and we have a number of complaints, opinion changes, etc - only a couple of people had talked about Lando before Smogon did.

    Also, Lando cannot take a hit and then sweep, js. Even Stone Edge from Terrak without Band is a 2hko and after SR damage lando has barely any space to setup/carelessly HP Ice. Same applies to most scenarios. Lando can only sponge a neutral STAB hit which is not boosted, thats not so great bulk imo. I agree though that if we banned lando the meta would change to better but I doubt he is along the lines of broken - in fact, way far from them, he is just an obstacle into creating teams for many people, just like Deo-D due to the lack of surefire counters and the need to play around it/play smart.
     
  14. Dr. Doom

    Dr. Doom Long time hater of stall

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    To be honest, I don't think it would change OU for the better. It's not like you can just slap it on any team and expect it to dominate, as you could with Genesect.
     
  15. Finchinator

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    That's such a generalized and false claim.
    Genesect couldn't be used on every team, nor more than Landorus-I.

    Landorus-I can be an offensive pivot (with the U-turn / 3 Special Attacks set), a wallbreaker (with the Sub / 3 Special Attacks set), a sweeper (with Swords Dance or Rock Polish), a revenge killer (with choice scarf), and plenty of more other things.
    Genesect was really only a Revenger (Landorus can do), Lure (which Landorus can also do), Sweeper (ditto)....

    Landorus-I fits into plenty of teams, has the aformentioned traits that make it a huge threat in OU, and versatility.

    Just to make your logic back-fire a bit, Landorus-I should be suspected if Genesect was (no, I don't stand by this at all - just proving a point that his saying that Genesect fits onto all types of teams while Landorus-I doesn't is bull.)

    (Side note: I did bring up Deoxys-D before Smogon suspected, or banned, it. Look back a few pages.
    And a few users did the same with Tornadus-T before Smogon suspected, or banned, it.
    If you're going to argue in the thread, make sure what you're saying is factual / not illogical.)
     
  16. MewTheDestroyer

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    I just want to see what you guys think, but would Ferrothorn ever get a suspect test? It's easily the best wall, being able to run Mixed, and works great for support, getting moves like Stealth Rock, Spikes, Leech Seed, and T-Wave.
     
  17. Finchinator

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    For the love of god, don't fake log me, Chromium.

    @MewTheDestroyer,
    Ferrothorn is just a sitting duck sometimes.
    Sure, it has the ability to get up Rocks and/or spikes pretty often, but it's got so many pokemon that set-up all over it or just kill it (Fire and Fighting being two of the most common attacking types.)
    If Ferrothorn had more Speed and Taunt, maybe I'd see it being potentially a suspect, but no use in theorymoning when it's not going to go anywhere in reality.
    Ferrothorn is a great wall with plenty of resistences, but it definetly isn't that bulky / efficient at stacking hazards (like Cresselia in LU on the bulky side or Crustle in NU on the hazarding side.)
     
  18. george182

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    I don't think Ferrothorn is overpowered in terms of waling ability, with no reliable recovery, a 4x weakness to fire and a weakness to the common fighting type, it's not tanking it's way through teams.

    However Ferrothorn can set up spikes on so many pokemon though, more than any spiker in any previous generation. It's key resistances to electric and water type moves set it apart from Forretress and Skarmory, as well as it's more than decent special bulk. People commonly use both Stealth Rocks and Spikes on Ferrothorn because it's so reliable at setting both of them up.

    I'm not saying it's broken, but where do you draw the line for support pokemon?
     
  19. Sinclair

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    We don't need to make this discussion about Ferrothorn, it does not deserve a suspect in any way, shape, or form. Ferrothorn is just a good wall, but it's ohko'd/2hko'd by a large part of the meta.
     
  20. Nikitas

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    Really? So was Deo-D (2/1khoed by the majority of offensive meta) but people bitched about it being able to put down hazards with ease. Not like they are comparable as far as their utility and use is concerned but the number of pokemon 1/2hkoing the suspect one isnt very good reasoning, even if it concerns walls.
    Besides, being ohkoed only by 5 pokemon (four of which are partly fire types and the other being LO Sheer Force Landorus with a Modest nature and FB) and getting 2hko by another 10-12 (about half of which have to run HP Fire/Fire Blast and the other ones being Fighting Types) isnt such a "large" part of the meta. Besides, Ferro isnt supposed to EVER stay in on a Fire or Fighting type so your arguement is completely false. It is like saying that X wall isnt broken because a majority of the meta can run a move its x4 weak to and get past it, not a great logic since there is a big amount of walls, only four moveslots.

    Ferrothorn's biggest downfalls are its lack of speed and offensive presence. Even with two BP 120 STABS, many pokemon can setup on it or PP Stall Gyro Ball and leave it with the coverage of Grass, which is terrible. Furthermore, its speed means that it cannot cripple even the slowest of Sub (Setup) Sweepers - it needs prediction to use Twave or Leech Seed before it becomes setup fodder. Another downfall of Ferro is the lack of reliable healing. Even if it can successfully wall a big part of the meta thanks to its myriad of key resistances, it can only take damage as much as its total hp, assuming SR on the field, which nullifies Lefties.

    And for fuck's sake, stop making two lines posts while trying to prove a pokemon broken/not broken. Regardless of how ridiculous it may seem (because yea, ferro being broken is sort of ridiculous seeing as its been here since the start of bw1 with high usage, unchanged, and up to now only offensive pokemon have appeared in bw2), you have to clearly say why/why not.
     
  21. Sinclair

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    I obviously can figure reasons why Ferrothorn is good, but I figured I didn't have to because discussing a ban on Ferro is absolutely asenine. I didn't realize it would get someone so riled up considering anyone suggesting a suspect on ferro has a cumulative GPA on the dollar menu.
     
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    Umm, you are in the "Potential Suspects Thread". This is where suspects are decided from and therefore the arguements for/against should be complete and strong ones, not generalizations. Also, I do not understand what "cumulative GPA on the dollar menu" means and so, I am unable to properly answer you. However, I think that anyone is allowed to suggest potential suspects/retests if they believe so.
     
  23. Spoovo The Pirate

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    With the 'cumulative GPA on the dollar menu' thing, he's essentially saying that those who believe Ferro should be suspected is an idiot. Just in more... grandiose terms.

    Anyways, back on topic. I'm a little rusty in OU, but I've never once had trouble with Ferro. Sure, it's practically a full stop to bulky Waters, but you'd imagine that'd be the case for a bulky Grass-type, wouldn't you? In the rain, it's a bit of a bitch to handle, but Hydration Vappy is far worse, imo.

    When it's weak to one of the most commonly spammed types in the game (Fighting), it's beatable, far as I'm concerned.
     
  24. magicmonkey

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    Seconded.
    i find when playing any offensive team having a fighting type is almost key. with several good ones (conkeldurr, lucario, terrakion, keldeo) your spoilt for choice for oyu hard hitting wall breaker. Not to mention with tutors lots of things have super power, such as dragonite (does more in rain and better coverage than fire punch if running 2 moves or E speed cause heatran) and hydregion (covers blissey/chansey/ttar/heatran which fire blast does not) and a few others, and a more offensive meta in general ferrothorn does well to stay in OU and should. Withotu it rain teams would have a much easier time, and so would dragons (particularly the lati twins who then only have to worry about rachi and heatran walling them (honorable mention to scizor/Ttar for trapping though)
     
  25. Maple Syrup

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    So I suppose that nothing is broken anymore in OU and the tier will stay the same till X and Y? Smogon did bad Landorus-I didn't they so we could suspect it.
     
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    Though a lot of people opposed Landy being banned, so that's reason enough to pull some more people here and away from Showdown, lol. That's reason enough to keep Landy in OU as far as I'm concerned. I never deemed it broken myself? *shrugs*
     
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    Pls unsuspect Thundy-I it's broken. Suspect Lando-I and Keldeo. Lets ban Keldeo before Smogon does.
     
  28. Finchinator

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    Thundurus-I has already been unsuspected and banned.

    Smogon OU has no correlation to PO OU suspect wise.
     
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    I really dont see keldeo being ban worthy, It has numerous checks in the tier all of which are viable pokemon. If you want to argue that point and say "well keld/tar is a thing" then you would be smart to play around and build to be able to handle this sort of thing. Keldeo as a single pokemon is not broken. Where as Landorus needs one move to stomp entire teams.

    Landorus I, I can agree and say it needs a suspect at the very least.
    While you can revenge it depending on set, it has far less checks that can handle it properly.
     
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    Team building with Landorus-i in the game is a nightmare. While physical sets are much easier to stop the threat of special Landorus is something that has very few counters. The most common being: Gyarados, Zapdos, Chansey/Blissey. A few others exist but aren't as viable in OU and most can be trapped and removed by Tyranitar.
    In my experience the worst thing about Landorus is its unparalleled ability to pull off a late game sweep, lock your self in resisted move or get predicted and forced to double switch: Landorus sets up a rock polish and outspeeds everything and kills everything.
    Another problem with it is the possibility that Landorus is actually running a physical variant and one of your counters is destroyed by an earthquake or stone edge.

    Sadly, Smogon's OU suspects have pretty much paved the way for the evolution of PO's OU with one big exception in the form of Kryurem-B.
    Anyways, yes I strongly believe Landorus is broken, nothing else in the meta game rips through teams with as much ease, yes it can be revenged but at the cost of something usually, and you've have to be pretty retarded to stay in on a mamoswine or a scizor (If you're weak) since you'll probably be running rotom-w alongside it or something to take its from those two mons.
     
  31. Oh So Penspin

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    I agree with people posting that Landorus-I is good enough to be tested as a suspect. It has barely any counters and most of them can be beaten when it's running a different set than that counter would counter (yo dawg..). I came across a Lando running a Gravity + Sheer Force set, which pretty much runs through every common counter it has.
     
  32. ZoroDark

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    Honestly, I don't believe Keldeo is broken. It has numerous checks and to beat some of its counters it will need a pair of Choice Specs. That's the set that might make it broken, but it's significant that it needs this pair of Choice Specs, paired with good predictions (even though that's a 2 way street) to potentially be broken, unlike Landorus.

    Time to discuss some calks: Keldeo will not be able to get past Jellicent nor Tentacruel without having Choice Specs. It still only has 10.94% chance to 2HKO Specialy Defensive Jellicent after SR. Max HP Tentacruel will definitely get 2HKO'd after SR in Rain, and it has a 53.12% chance of living 2 hits without SRs on the field. Celebi is another case, since most Ebelt Keldeo's run HP Bug. Currently the Ebelt set is used on 4.2% of the Keldeo-R sets, and on 8.5% on Keldeo sets, so Celebi will not be able to fully counter Keldeo in that case. That other bulky Grass type in OU, Amoonguss, is an amazing counter fearing nothing but Rain boosted Specs Hydro Pumps. There are also the Lati twins who are excellent checks to Keldeo, but considering the pony is often ran alongside Tyranitar, they'll have to watch out not to be trapped.

    Overall, there's enough ways to beat Keldeo in OU. I don't think it's broken at all. Underneath, there's some of the calcs I was talking about.

    Specs:
    252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Tentacruel in rain: 187-221 (51.37 - 60.71%) -- 46.88% chance to 2HKO in Rain.
    252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Tentacruel in rain: 187-221 (51.37 - 60.71%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and in Rain
    252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Secret Sword vs. 252 HP / 236+ Def Tentacruel: 99-117 (27.19 - 32.14%) -- possible 4HKO after Stealth Rock and weather
    252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Hidden Power Ghost vs. 252 HP / 220+ SpD Jellicent: 164-194 (40.59 - 48.01%) -- 10.94% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
    252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Hidden Power Ghost vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Jellicent: 218-258 (54.09 - 64.01%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
    252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Hidden Power Ghost vs. 252 HP / 236+ SpD Celebi: 168-198 (41.58 - 49%) -- 25.78% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
    252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 236+ SpD Celebi in rain: 160-189 (39.6 - 46.78%) -- 0.39% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock

    Ebelt:
    252 SpA Expert Belt Keldeo Hidden Power Bug vs. 252 HP / 236+ SpD Celebi: 269-317 (66.58 - 78.46%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
    252 SpA Expert Belt Keldeo Hidden Power Ghost vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Jellicent: 175-209 (43.42 - 51.86%) -- 72.66% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
    252 SpA Keldeo Secret Sword vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Rotom-W: 130-154 (42.9 - 50.82%) -- 55.86% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock[/HIDE]
     
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    While expert belt and specs Keldeo are very potent, I think it's the scarf set that is the problem, as it has the somewhat unique ability to break common walling combinations, revenge kill offensive threats and sweep through any style of team.
     
  34. danria

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    Scarfed keldeo is no way the problem, in any way, its much comparable to a scarf terrakion, which is in a way almost the same or even better than scarf keldeo......
    Scarfed terrakion, which have much fewer checks and next to no counter (other than some NU pokemon or the nido's). And yet we all agree that its not broken,
    so I dont see how scarfed keldeo can be that broken with more checks and counter.
     
  35. Hot N Cold

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    Ban Thundurus-I and Landorus-I, suspect Keldeo.

    Thanks :smile:
     
  36. Finchinator

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    So now that Thundurus-I is banned, maybe we can look into a few other potential suspects. Keldeo and Landorus-I seem to be mentioned by a few other people and I agree with one (Landorus-I), but disagree with the other (Keldeo.)

    I'll start with Keldeo. The water pony is indeed a powerful special attacker with base 128 special attack and the ability to hit from both sides of the spectrum with Secret Sword and lovely STABs. Its main sets are Specs, Expert Belt, and Scarf (with Sub CM / CM 3 Attacks being lesser-common.) The Scarf set is a nice revenge killer and can occasionally clean for a late game sweep, but it isn't that problematic, in my opinion. It's walled by pokemon like Latias, Jellicent, Celebi, and Tentacruel who it fails to 2hko regardless of what move it locks into. However, a common bluff / lure variant of Keldeo is Expert Belt, which can draw in and kill Celebi with HP Bug or Dragons with Icy Wind. Sure, it gets some surprise value, but that doesn't take away from Tentacruel, Latias (usually), Jellicent, Gyarados, and others walling it by sponging all of its attacks (not to mention that it isn't that bulky.) Finally, Specs Keldeo is indeed a decent answer to these walls as a Rain Boosted Hydro practically 2HKOs everything, but it doesn't always have the ability to spam Hydro and needs to predict what to lock into (we know how that's a 2-way-street.) Furthermore, although Keldeo is a huge threat in OU and has multiple functions such as revenge killing / scarf abusing, luring, and wallbreaking - it isn't really broken, just a great Overused pokemon (alongside the likes of Terrakion, Scizor, Dragonite, etc.)

    Landorus-I, on the other hand, I believe is broken. I've made various other posts regarding it, but I'll state my opinion once again. Landorus-I got the ability Sheer Force from the Dream World come the start of B/W 2. Ever since then, it's spammed the tier with powerful Special Attacks and became nearly uncounterable (it's hard to fully-stop it and even if you have it covered, it'll still be a pesk.) Its main sets are Rock Polish + 3 Special Attacks, 3 Special Attacks + U-turn / Sub, and then it has a plethora of physical sand force sets that aren't used oftenly anymore (scarf, ebelt, etc.) Landorus-I's main special attacks are HP Ice, Earth Power, and Focus Blast. However, it runs U-turn somewhat commonly to beat the problematic Celebi and Latias (often in conjunction with Tyranitar, which doesn't really help Landorus-I's case to be broken, but does eliminate its checks in battle.) Landorus-I lacks the pure counters / checks that pokemon like Keldeo have, which makes it broken, in my opinion.
     
  37. Blitzamirin

    Blitzamirin Waluigi! Number one!

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    Rock Polish, while an important move, doesn't make Landorus broken. U-turn is the move that does (and thus should be considered over RP). Celebi and Latias have to be wary about it, because it allows the Landorus-I user to pivot to CBTar in the common core (the aforementioned two + Keldeo). Though Tyranitar's presence in this core has forced these Pokemon to adapt (for example, Celebi running Baton Pass, Latias running Substitute, and Jellicent speed creeping for the Will-O-Wisp), its usefulness has dwindled a bit. Even so, two would-be checks suffer at the hands of the pressure the move causes, because the Landorus-I user will always have momentum (and thus the advantage) over them.
     
  38. Raiza

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    Imo Landorus-I and Keldeo are both great pokemons in the OU Metagame and I think that when you build a team you always have to keep an eye on them because if they find a team discovered they can easily win.
    But now I want to focus on Landorus-I that is broken for me.
    I've used for a long time(and also use it now on the beta server) the set 3 Special Attacks + U-Turn Landorus that is fantastic and so broken, also due to the addition of Sheer Force in the early bw2, U-Turn covers you from Celebi and Latias allowing you to switch to CBTyranitar and get an easy kill. Rock Polish set is good too, yes it's walled by the mentioned Celebi and Latias that force you to switch(both have regen moves), But they can be killed by CBTyranitar and the next time you will sweep with no problems.I think that the mate Landorus-T is a beast with the Rock Polish+Sword Dance set too, he can get an easy setup because with Intimidate he can enter on so many pokèmons, use Rock Polish/Sword Dance or both and give massive problems to the opponent(but he is not strong as Landorus-I).
     
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  39. Mario with lasers

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    I hate to repeat myself, but you should strongly consider testing Kyurem-B.
    Now that its killer sets have gained popularity it's clear that its presence is unhealthy for OU. Mixed sets destroy stall and Scarf/Sub sets destroy offensive teams. Kyurem-B guarantees no less than 2 kill per matches, with next to no skill from the user. Nothing else in OU is anywhere close to its sheer power and ease of use.
     
  40. Maple Syrup

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    Kyurem may be quite a dangerous pokemon but is not really broken. When you have a metagame that features many powerful fighting types, Kyurem finds itself in a position where it is not overpowered. Also we have the most used Pokemon in the metagame that hurts Kyurem-B severly. Band Scizor may not KO right off of the bat but It will kill after SR. Also when switching out Kyurem you have to watch out for the powerful U-Turn or Swords Dance.

    252 Atk Choice Band Technician Scizor (+Atk) Bullet Punch vs 156 HP/0 Def Kyurem-B: 75.35% - 89.3% (2 hits to KO)

    Kyurem-B just has way too many strong checks for it to be suspected.
     
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