[HGSS] Salamence Voting

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  1. Halsey

    Halsey Wildstar

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    Salamence has been unbanned for over a month so it is time do to this.

    Since the ladder was reset (idk why though) there is no ranking requirement. To vote you need to send me a paragraph via PM explaining why Salamence should be banned / should stay in DPP OU.

    Talk about your ladder peaks and your experience in DPP OU with and without Salamence, etc. I don't want an essay but the paragraph must be decent, so use common sense.
     
  2. zeroality

    zeroality Artificial Insanity

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    Unintentional snafu.
     
  3. Halsey

    Halsey Wildstar

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    o k.
     
  4. Darklight

    Darklight Nothing is True

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    So, what's the deadline for this voting?
     
  5. Halsey

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    No idea, but soon.
     
  6. Emperor PPP

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    I think that Salamence should be banned from the OU metagame due to the overcentralization that revolves around it, it can take on a whole bunch of offensive (Dragonite, Flygon, Dragon types, Heatran, Infernape, Scizor* (to an extent)) and defensive (Skarmory*, Forretress*, Heatran, steel types* aswell as Blissey
    252 +1 Atk Life Orb Salamence Outrage vs 252 HP/252 Def Blissey (+Def) : 99.72% - 117.37% (93.75% chance to OHKO)
    ^ That's jolly Mence[/HIDE] Zapdos
    252 +1 Atk Life Orb Salamence Outrage vs 252 HP/252 Def Zapdos (+Def) : 81.51% - 96.35% (Guaranteed OHKO after SR)[/HIDE]
    * If you're running a mixed fire blast variant
    It's only real counters are varied - with life orb stall or choice scouting nescessary most of the time, this allows Salamence to poke massive holes in, if not KO, most defensive cores. Mamoswine can ice shard it and OHKO
    252 Atk Mamoswine (+Atk) Ice Shard vs 4 HP/0 Def Salamence: 104.82% - 124.7% (Guaranteed OHKO)[/HIDE] Whilst Scizor can deal between just over half and just over two thirds with Bullet punch - from a CB variant.
    252 Atk Choice Band Technician Scizor (+Atk) Bullet Punch vs 4 HP/0 Def Salamence: 58.73% - 68.98% (2 hits to KO)[/HIDE] Mamoswine currently gets 3.78% on the usage stats (from 1953) so just under 4% of teams will be able to deal with Mence without doubt. Any reasoning against mine would be that it's stealth rock weakness could hinder it's survivability but this is true for any pokemon - and the advantage to the flying type is that you don't take spikes damage or toxic spikes' effect. Feel free to use these arguments to not ban it if you can't think of anything.

    And I am aware of the theorymonning that I've used here, but I'm terrible at talking about its effect on the metagame.
     
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    You should read the OP, carefully.
     
  8. Emperor PPP

    Emperor PPP PKMNPurePower

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    I really am an idiot aren't I :(
    I guess you can ignore my first post but leave it there as an example to why you read the OP
     
  9. Halsey

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    So got busy this week and since this wasn't actually my responsibility I forgot about it. w/e it is over.

    Salamence is banned.

    Fun fact: We had less votes than the Smogon Council (Unless we count the 3 words long paragraph and the guy talking about banning Salamence in Gen 5 OU)
     
  10. Emperor PPP

    Emperor PPP PKMNPurePower

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    Yeah, this really was a crappy voting thread
     
  11. shrapn3l

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    fitting for a crappy idea like suspect testing salamence
     
  12. iris

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    aight, lets go to latias
     
  13. Harlot

    Harlot i look like the pope

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    when are we testing garchomp
     
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    right after Shaymin-S and Deo-A, S, D, and N. Also Latios
     
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  16. george182

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    Deoxys-D wouldn't be a terrible idea to suspect test. Cresselia has shown that huge defensive stats don't make a pokemon overpowered, it's just Deoxys' support capabilities that make it borderline Uber, most notably spikes. It also gets recover.
     
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    zeroality Artificial Insanity

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    I'll quote/paraphrase parts of a post I made elsewhere.

    I do apologize for how poorly this was handled. It got started by someone who didn't see it through to the end so things got a bit muddled.

    Thanks to everyone who participated.
     
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