3rd gen testing

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  1. coyotte508

    coyotte508 Well-Known Member Administrator Server Owner Administrator Server Owner

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    You can have client here: http://pokemon-online.eu/files/Pokemon-Online-Setup-3G.exe
    You can have server here: http://pokemon-online.eu/files/pokeymon-server.zip

    Calimero Battlers up for testing. Anyone can run one though, and you can post there.

    The focus of this testing is the game mechanics. I'll do a tier system and the display of the gen in the challenge window too, but don't complain about that, because this is not the focus of the testing.

    Also, if you help with testing, install the client somewhere else, because it can't battle with old server (not due to 3rd gen, but to useless data sent that i removed ^^). It still can watch battles.

    So, post any problem with the mechanics here.

    I'm also keeping track of 3rd gen changes in the OP. Post if there's something missing.

     
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  2. Navy

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    The best of the best has finally come!
     
  3. Lady Umb

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    Your forgot about Hypnosis ; It was a 70-80% Acc. move, before, in RSE.

    EDIT : 60. I suck.
     
  4. Kioku

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    I haven't downloaded it yet, but I figure to give it a helpful mention: moves are special/physical based upon their typing in 3rd gen. Don't know if you've added that, probably have. Just tossing that out there.
     
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  5. Lady Umb

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    Yea, this this normal, Kioku.

    Normal, Fighting, Bug , Steel, Flying and Ghost moves = Physical
    Water, Fire, Grass, Electric and Dark moves = Special

    I DL'ed it and I don't see any problems. The only thing I noticed, is : My name is not on the player list and I must click on it...lol.

    EDIT : Disconnect every 15 minutes. O_o
     
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  6. coyotte508

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    -> you need to go on a compatible server. (Like Calimero Battlers)
     
  7. Jules

    Jules i make you MANGRY

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    some things you missed IN YOUR POSTS (besides phys/spec return to normalcy)
    giga drain has 5 base pp 8 after pp ups
    recover has 20 base pp 32 after pp ups
    taunt only lasts one turn and no message is displayed afterwards
    wish still takes place even if a pokemon feints on the healing turn
    as opposed to dp, in adv if a pokemon feints, the new pokemon switches in and then end of turn effects take place. (so just a quick example, pert kills zapdos, person switches in celebi, celebi recovers health from leftovers)
    charge doesn't increase special defense
    stockpile doesn't increase defenses


    i'll post more when i remember them


    ---edit---

    items like magnet are only 10% boost, not 20%
    sitrus berry restores 30 hp
    crunch drops special defense, not defense
    dive is 60 base power, not 80
    fly is 70 base power, not 90
    any tm above 50 is not in ADV
    if i remember right morning sun does not restore 100% in sun in DP, in ADV it does (i might be wrong but w/e)
    wobbuffet vs wobbuffet can't switch out from each other in adv, as shadow tag doesn't negate
    waterfall has no additional effect

    ---edit---

    trace no longer lowers attack when tracing intimidate

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    Start of turn 30
    Gengar used Explosion!
    The foe's Snorlax lost 74% of its health!
    Gengar fainted!

    The foe's Snorlax used Shadow Ball!
    But there was no target...


    Jules sent out Tyranitar!

    The sandstorm rages!
    The foe's Snorlax is buffeted by the sandstorm!

    the parts in bold should not occur, the "attacking step" should immediately end after gar fainted.

    ---edit---

    volt absorb does not activate against twave

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    regarding end of turns this is what i tested for doubles, singles stays the same as previously stated

    pokemon were sent out
    pokemon in play: mine: graveler + staryu
    opponent: claydol+slowpoke

    claydol attacked
    graveler used self destruct, graveler and staryu both fainted, i sent out two more pokemon
    slowpoke attacked

    ---edit---

    surf only hits the pokemon on your opponents side, not your own

    ---edit---

    weezing is supposed to have pain split and W-o-W legally
     
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  8. coyotte508

    coyotte508 Well-Known Member Administrator Server Owner Administrator Server Owner

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    wish still takes place even if a pokemon feints on the healing turn
    as opposed to dp, in adv if a pokemon feints, the new pokemon switches in and then end of turn effects take place. (so just a quick example, pert kills zapdos, person switches in celebi, celebi recovers health from leftovers)

    -> Those two are in "Switching wave at before the end turn effects".

    Thanks though.

    And you reminded me of encore lasting less turns.
     
  9. Xdevo

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    Encore last 2-6 turns
    I believe you had this answered
    It wakes up immediately ( I believe there is a message that appears as well)
    The actual damage up to 25%
    Flash Fire will activate and if the pokemon is not fire-typed is burned.
     
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  10. coyotte508

    coyotte508 Well-Known Member Administrator Server Owner Administrator Server Owner

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    I need ingame testing.

    For example the pokémon doesn't wake up immediately, but when it tries to use a move. I need ingame testing on all those.

    Also smogon says 4-8 for gen 3 and 2-5 for GSC, while NB has a different count, that's why it needs ingame testing.
     
  11. Splendid Venus

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    After 100 Trials, my range was 3-7. Now, I don't know if it might be different if I'm slower than my opponent, but I outsped them. I don't know if it counts the first use of the move after Encore was used by a faster opponent.
     
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  12. Gilad

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    - Do absorbing abilities take 25% or the actual damage? it ALWAYS take 25% health recovery, but take note that not all the prahaxing 'other' moves will absorb the damage, for example sun spore is grass type move, i'm not sure if it will effect jolteon or not, because he is pure electric type, but it won't restore health.
    - Does Flash Fire activate on WoW? Yup, but only if it hit, take note of this.
     
  13. alan

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    yes stun spore paralyzes jolteon and no it doesn't restore its hp

    finally 3rd gen stuff.

    For some reason when I imported a team my Skarmory had the moveset of Spikes/Taunt/Whirlwind/Drill Peck, but when I went to battle, the only moves that showed up on it were Taunt and Spikes.
     
  14. coyotte508

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    Because Skarmory can't learn Whirlwind + Drill Peck.

    Change your gen back and forth to have the combinations updated.

    Do you count the turn the move Encore is used or not as a turn? Because if not, then the true range would be 4-8 and it would be the same as DP.
     
  15. Splendid Venus

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    Sealeo used Encore
    But it failed!
    Rattata used Tackle
    Sealeo used Encore
    Rattata used Tackle (1)
    Jeff Played the PokeFlute!
    Now that's a catchy tune!
    Rattata used Tackle (2)
    Jeff Played the PokeFlute!
    Now that's a catchy tune!
    Rattata used Tackle (3)
    Rattata's encore wore off!

    That's how I counted 3.

    EDIT:

    Okay, after a ton more tests... the encore ended after one move...? It took a lot of tries to it to end that fast, but it did.

    I also just got two encored moves.

    I got five most often, and three second most often.

    Anything under than three and above six was extremely rare.
     
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  16. Jules

    Jules i make you MANGRY

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    i tested ingame and it is 25% just in case you cared/still dont believe smogon

    and on navy's server weezing still couldn't wow+pain split but he might have had an older version.
     
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    Splendid Venus: If you could write the number of turns for each encore try it would be brilliant. (we could make mini statistics)

    I'll check the changes and edit the OP.
     
  19. Akseru

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    I fight Mynism and we have a problem.

    Mynism a rappelé Skarmory!
    Mynism a envoie Swampert! (Laggron)

    Smeargle use Belly drum!
    Smeargle cut its own HP and maximized its Attack

    Début du tour 3
    smeragle use Baton pass !
    Akseru a rappelé Smeargle!
    Akseru envoie exploud!

    Swampert ennemi Use Roar !
    Ectoplasma was dragged out!

    Well,Sound Proof has to block Roar,supersonic,and other indirect moves.
    Perish song is block by Sound Proff. Heal bell it's special. The attack is make, but not the effect. His exploud still sleeping again after Hell bell.
    To be simple:
    Block:
    Perish
    Heal bell
    Snore
    Uproar
    and Hypervoice.

    No block:
    Roar
    Yawn
    Howl
    screech
    supersonic

    Well,Big Thanks to Mynism who help me to test all sound attack.
     
  20. coyotte508

    coyotte508 Well-Known Member Administrator Server Owner Administrator Server Owner

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    Thanks.

    Sound proof will be fixed in 3rd gen.
     
  21. Teh Umby

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    Manectric should not have Overheat.
     
  22. Erebos

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    another found: Trick bypasses substitute as well. according to smogon, it shouldn't. trying to get ingame proof, tho I'm struggling without pokesav. I'll edit this when I have it.

    here's a sim screenie.
    [​IMG]

    (I just can't help myself, so I'll say once again that my chat background looks awesome and I love it so much. thanks DN)
     
  23. Splendid Venus

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    Sure, I got time to kill. I'll get it done ASAP

    I'm still testing but I'll post what I have so far:

    1: 1
    2: 2
    3: 10
    4: 4
    5: 12
    6: 12
    7: 0

    I'll update when I've tested more
     
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  24. Jules

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    i can way with 100% clarity and just my knowledge that no, trick does not bypass sub in 3rd gen.

    this was a netbattle goof, not actual mechanics
     
  25. coyotte508

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    High Jump Kick's max recoil needs to be checked.
     
  26. coyotte508

    coyotte508 Well-Known Member Administrator Server Owner Administrator Server Owner

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    I uploaded client and server with all the changes.

    Client also includes all moves that are available with pre evos only, as those moves were not included before.
     
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    I played Emerald for about 5-6 years now. I think I could help you guys.
     
  28. coyotte508

    coyotte508 Well-Known Member Administrator Server Owner Administrator Server Owner

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    Sure. If you want to test high jump kick's max recoil, the number of turns of Encore/Sleep, that'd be great^^

    Or you can come at teh server and see if there's no problems with the mechanics.
     
  29. Jules

    Jules i make you MANGRY

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    Start of turn 15
    Jules called IM BLUE YABA back!
    Jules sent out IM BLUE YABA! (Vaporeon)
    IM BLUE YABA is hurt by spikes!

    The foe's Starmie used Surf!
    It's not very effective...
    IM BLUE YABA lost 60 HP! (12% of its health)

    The foe's Starmie restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
    IM BLUE YABA restored a little HP using its Leftovers!


    i realise i didn't update this morning so it might be a client mixmatch thing
     
  30. coyotte508

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    No it was a problem created by removing FLASHFIRE and VOLT ABSORB on non attacking moves. Fixed, will be uploaded later.
     
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    Not sure if you caught it when I said it in the main chat earlier, but all forms of Deoxys are missing Superpower. The Attack form learns it in Fire Red via level up at level 30 (according to Serebii). Smogon has it listed as a move that Deoxys can learn in RSE also.
     
  32. coyotte508

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    Yes, added them.
     
  33. Jules

    Jules i make you MANGRY

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    I was battling destinybond on camilero or whatever it's called, and i houndoom thiefed his suicune with chesto berry and our sims crashed.

    this is what i got.


    Problem signature:
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    Exception Code: c0000005
    Exception Offset: 0000fd1c
    OS Version: 6.1.7600.2.0.0.256.48
    Locale ID: 1033
    Additional Information 1: 0a9e
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    Read our privacy statement online:
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  34. Jules

    Jules i make you MANGRY

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    requesting someone test this


    Start of turn 26
    Jules called Zapdos back!
    Jules sent out Vaporeon!
    Vaporeon is hurt by spikes!

    The foe's Starmie used Hydro Pump!
    The attack of the foe's Starmie missed!

    The sandstorm rages!
    The foe's Starmie is buffeted by the sandstorm!
    Vaporeon is buffeted by the sandstorm!
    The foe's Starmie restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
    Vaporeon restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
    Bad Romance: phw
    Jules: buuullllshit

    does hydropump have to hit in order to water absorb? because i never knew if that was true or not, i just thought it would heal if it was just used (sigh netbattle), but im not 100% sure

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    morning sun is supposed to recover 100% in the sun in ADV, it currently uses the DP mechanics.

    i can confirm this 100% with prior ingame knowledge.
     
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  35. Gtfo

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    Isnt Hydro pump and Water Absorb just like..Will o Wisp and Flash Fire? I Think that in order to activate the ability, the move has to hit.
     
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    Yes, the move has to hit in order to activate the ability.

    I think sleep is 2-7 turns, I will have to check that out. As for encore, I think it is 3-6 turns but again, I will need to test that out.
     
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    Yeah, i remember missing some hydropumps on my vaporeon on colosseum... lol.

    For sleep, i don't know. It was up to 8 turns in RBY, then became limited to 4 turns in Pokémon Stadium, and in DP it's 2-5 turns so....

    Also maybe there is a definite percentage for each number of turns of sleep.

    Jules, I would need to know if the problems happen again when you use that move again, or if it was only once.
     
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    Took the opportunity of the crash to update the client with 3rd gen sprites (I also updated - but not uploaded - the server)
     
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    Just tested these, you do take recoil when used on Protect and I lost 7 hp missing against a Lv 2 Wurmple.

    I could do some testing on number of sleep turns as well. Does the turn you put it to sleep count if you went first?

    Also wonderful to see 3rd gen sprites implemented =)
     
  40. Splendid Venus

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    Using Hi Jump Kick with a Level 100 Hitmonlee with 227 HP on a Level 2 Poochyena, you take 7 damage if you miss. I figure it's because Poochyena has such low max HP. I'm gonna have to try it on a higher level target.

    Edit: Lost 93 against a Level 100 Zigzagoon with the same Hitmonlee. If it were to hit, it would have been a OHKO.

    LOL you just die when you miss a Blissey.
     
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