New Voting System

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  1. Water

    Water Well Respected and Exceptionally Handsome User Forum Moderator Channel Leader Forum Moderator Channel Leader

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    There is a new system in place on Mafia for starting a game. Instead of having the fastest person start a game the new system implements a 30 second voting phase after one user starts a game. We wanted to gauge what the users opinions on the new system was and how they felt it compares to the old one.
     
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  2. Lamperi

    Lamperi I see what you did there

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    I ask for ideas: How to allow more rarer themes to be played too? Is it good or should we change back into theme spamming?
     
  3. Serpentine

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    I feel like rarer themes are rare for a reason; people don't like playing them, otherwise they would get started.
     
  4. kyucumber

    kyucumber DNA Pin FTW

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    Ideas for mafia

    Well if people don't play a certain theme all in a week why don't you just get rid? I know that i don't have as much of a say because i am a lower authority player but we need to get the ones off that aren't started often as Serpentine said but we should have a way too truly know which should get booted for example when there are a majority of the people on go through all the themes and tell them if they truly don't like it to not join. Of Course there will be the idiots who join just to rebel but if a theme has for example less then 7 normally committed players when there is over 25 people on then just delete it. Or something like that.
     
  5. RedJoker25

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    I don't mind the voting, but possibly make themes unstartable for a few games after? Like at least 5 or 6 (or whatever the number of 'main' themes are + 1)? I understand that some themes aren't liked as much as others, but I feel that this also discourages new themes from being introduced.
     
  6. kyucumber

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    They already have that into affect for example i tried to start a California Wars in vote but what happened was 5 games ago it was started so something like that is already in effect.
     
  7. RedJoker25

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    Oh. Okay then. Nvm. But voting can still detract from new themes if everyone starts the 'classics' followed by less classic, but still older themes. I'm not sure how many people would actually agree to test a new theme without saying something to the effect of 'wtf is this bs,' especially since themes take a while to get used to.
     
  8. Sandusky

    Sandusky My body is ready!

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    Themespamming is more reliable because we don't have to waste another 30 damn seconds.
     
  9. two sides of one coin

    two sides of one coin sick of all her shit

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    Dislike, complete dislike and from what I gauged from the regular's reactions they didn't like it either. I feel it is gimmicky, may the best tabber win. Please change back :(
     
  10. kyucumber

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    Person above doesnt know what they are talking about i suggest that they change their post immediately to keep their dignity.
     
  11. SPS

    SPS um ........ no

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    I like the voting idea so much! Thx a lot Ozma you are the best! :D
     
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  12. IceKirby

    IceKirby A.K.A. RiceKirby

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    >best tabber
    >voting for themes
    What?

    I like the Voting idea, but watching the way it is now is annoying me a bit. Mafia has a lot of players who are completely unwilling to learn (or even try) new themes, then they always vote for the themes they know. Then we end with a list of games of only default/myth/ff/ssbb/elements/zelda (which reminds me of 6~8 months ago, when those were the few themes that worked). There's a lot of new themes that are good but have a hard time to get its space, now those themes will have even less chances.

    But again, I like the voting, I just dislike the same set of themes being started again and again. Some suggestions (can't say they are good, but at least to give some ideas): Hidden Vote (prevent votewagon), increase cooldown since theme was started, Cumulative votes from last voting phases, rule that allows MAs to skip the vote in some cases (new theme, tests, repetitive themes, etc).
     
  13. SlimCognito

    SlimCognito I'M BACK!

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    I dislike, due to the fact that a lot of new themes are good, and rare themes a lot of players find fun. Also, the majority of people in the chat definitely do NOT like the voting system.
     
  14. RageSuzaku

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    ^^^^

    I don't care for the voting. Themes that aren't started, tend to not be started for a reason. Being faster than everyone else worked out just fine in the past. X may want to start his theme "Whatever", but can't get enough people to vote it. So he just outspeeds everyone and gets his theme while people discover a new theme in the process. I get that people want to have more of a say in what themes get started, but the themes that are started are started because they're popular and good. They honestly have a better chance at trying to be faster when it comes to the /start. Not to mention, getting the spam ability up helps in certain mafia cases(ex. 2 day killers, spamming to kill the other first).
     
  15. Thrighragon

    Thrighragon To Slay a Samurai

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    I do not agree with this idea in any way for a few reasons. Be ready.

    First of all, default wouldnt get any spotlight. Unless the players actually like default, it would be dead. In most cases, they would simply vote for their favorite theme, and i believe that more BS than any mafia update yet (even worse than prev. starting limit thing that singlehandely caused default to fall, but wont talk about frustrations about that any more). This is a MAJOR problem because new players should learn from default or clanwar, not adjusting to the chaotic world that is themes.

    Second of all, everyone has their own favorite theme. I honestly think it's not fair since if one person likes one theme and the entire group likes another, that poor man will never get to start a theme HE likes. I understand some people may be slow at typing or they have bad connection, etc. However, thats much better for the odd man that likes a different theme than this.

    Also, i think it will ruin the fun themes (Vepix, etc). While this may get alot of hate, n00bKi113r$ can be played every once in a while with the "no same theme for 5 games rule". While it may look good enough to make this viable, it is clearly not. All i see when i log on is SSBB, FF, Myth, fruit, Castle, Clanwar, Pokemon II, Mushroom kingdom, and with the occasional Duelist Kingdom or Mortal Kombat. Come on, list a theme that is meant to be a joke/fun in that bunch. Castle may work, but it kinda sux because of so many pointless roles and the fact that elder dragon isnt a villagecantloserole.

    To wrap this up, it is a horrible idea in my opinon, couldnt even think of that. With a combination of ruining themes to potentially become good, no diversity whatsoever, no spotlight for default, not supportive of people who like different themes. To make it worse, it doesnt use /vote, it uses /start. Ok, why.

    The only good thing i could think of is that people who have a bad connection can vote on their favorite theme, but you shouldn't be playing mafia with a high chance to DC and maybe be considered afk and may find out that youre banned an hour later when internet comes back.

    Feel free to disagree/critique (too negative, etc, etc)

    @Serp/Sandusky: there are new themes that people could overlook that really arent that bad.
     
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  16. RageSuzaku

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    Hey, for once I agree with Gold!
     
  17. Lamperi

    Lamperi I see what you did there

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    It was Ozma's idea.

    Also, default is still immune to the "can't be repeated thing" so it should be able to cope with stuff.

    How about having one game with spam start and one game with voting start after each other?
     
  18. Chinchou

    Chinchou Endangered Species

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    Don't like it at all.
    But of course you wouldn't care about my opinion lol.
     
  19. Nainil

    Nainil The International of PO

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    This idea was one of the worst. People rarely start anything other than classics. A number of times I wanted to start my theme Code Lyoko, but I used to be the only person voting amidst people voting for Zelda, or SSBB, or Fruit, or Elements, or one of the common themes.

    Rarer themes have ZERO chance of being played with this in effect.
     
  20. Lightwind

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    That feels just a bit too crazy to me. I get the feeling that half the game would be spent with people asking if they should spam for the next game~.
     
  21. kyucumber

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    Well i feel that some things like spamming are needed like when i actually get my new smosh (not reskin) code up and installed i know a lot of PO people are Smosh haters so i would need to spam to get it in the rotation of games. Otherwise as GoldM3nce said only a few themes like SSBB, Zelda, Fruit, Default, etc. and that really destroys newer coders dreams of making new themes because they cannot truly get there theme out in big groups (the only way to test them) and to improve their overall skills to make a perhaps even better than Mythology, ClanWar, and SSBB combined. I know this sounds lame but we need to give noobs a chance for programming good themes!
     
  22. Chinchou

    Chinchou Endangered Species

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    ^
    I am sure that more than half of the mafia people dislikes this.
     
  23. LadyHoliday

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    I dislike this because it mostly doesn't give other themes any chances. For example, lets say a theme was played 3% and now with this it dropped to 1%, of course this is just an example. No one wishes to try something new, which is why I still favor the old system.
    -pro-This lets user's voices get heard, which is something that we don't hear a lot in mafia or just what I don't hear. :x
    -con- 5 themes will possibly get repeated more and more with a higher chance of it just being those 5 themes for a lot of turns. Users seem to vote whatever gets 2 votes, just what i see. New users seem like they get influenced into voting the themes that have been played because it seems like they don't want to try something new. This suggestion also seems unfair to themes that people have been working on or are trying to start to see if they work. Some people have been complaining that people are 'sheep' and this seems like it is true because we as human beings are easily influenced. Themes that people have been working on for a while that have climbed up the ranks due to the old system have gradually fallen down. The original mafia theme seems like it is falling down in the ranks, but with the old system it was staying steady.
    Maybe if this was tweaked a bit somehow then it could work? :x -Also, what about a randomizer? This could help us pick themes that have a low chance of being played and deserve the chance to shine. :) (just a suggestion)-
    Anyway, back on topic, this could actually prove to be something if it can be tweaked otherwise this just seems like we are doing what we already do in mafia; follow people. I'm glad we tried something new though, it helps us see what can be worked on or if we can have a better suggestion. :) We should have a discussion on suggestions to see if they can be improved before they are launched? -just a thought-

    [Feel free to critique this or disagree, voices need to be heard. :)]
    Hopefully, I didn't complain too much.
    ~Lady♥
     
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  24. Chinchou

    Chinchou Endangered Species

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    OK.
    So the reason I dislike this, is because we will have little variety of themes.
    Just the same themes over and over again.
    Does this really seem fun?
    EDIT: lol sorry if I'm posting too much. :p
     
  25. Hobbes2

    Hobbes2 Aren't I dead or something

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    Dislike, for reasons mostly stated above

    1) 30 seconds is a lto

    Now more serious

    2) Default is going to die, see rage's post

    3) Unpopular teams that are actually pretty fun won't get started. Games that are fun everyone once in a while are going to die (ex - Vepix)

    4) The themes that are always played will always get voted fore.

    To sum up the main reason, why, ima quote someone else

    also read lady's post.
     
  26. profDEADPOOL

    profDEADPOOL INSANE Professer

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    I really don't like it for several reasons. Biggest is that it adds time between mafia games. Also the whole poeple can vote more then once. Means it is still really a spam competition but just of a diff kind. Also the entire there will be next to no chance for a new theme to be started. However I think the idea of doing it where it alternates is even worse.
     
  27. kyucumber

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    Ok well i just went through my logs of previous Shoddy Battles of before PO came out and i realized they had this awesome thing called the Nohax clause this was used so that people who just got critical hit 3 times in a row by a regular critical hit chance move and pokemon and the winner only had one or two pokemon left there would be a coin toss to decide who one. We should try to impliment this in Mafia Channel with the entered games after the vote so take the games that tried to be started put them all in an equal probability randomizer assign them numbers then have a program pick a number and that number assigned theme was picked letting people have some sort of say in what kind of theme they want
     
  28. Tanner5555

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    I don't like this because my theme is never started because its new and not known plus its unfair because only FF and Myth are ever played or other stuff I don't remember because I don't like

    Very unfair
    0/10
     
  29. kyucumber

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    10/10 solely because i do not believe that Tanner5555 had a very good theme please tell me if i am wrong.
     
  30. WhaleCostume

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    Pretty much what everyone else said. Couldn't you put a limit to how many people can vote. Like say first 5? If the rare themes really want to be played then those people can spam it faster.
     
  31. Tanner5555

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    I wasn't just talking about my theme I'm talking about all people who make new themes that aren't known and that's not for you to pick what is good
     
  32. kyucumber

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    yeah i know i have tried to make a new theme before i was just kidding i feel the same way that new themes need to be able to get out there more BTW Tanner5555 what is your new theme on?
     
  33. PeeFive

    PeeFive Imma firin' mah lazah!

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    I agree with Salamence on this one. People who like a specific theme that is not commonly played will never get the chance to play it. Meanwhile, if someone likes a common theme and suggests it, it will probably win. Please remove. It's much better to just spam start. It's the only way to start your favorite theme or to test a new one :)
     
  34. Lamperi

    Lamperi I see what you did there

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    It just changed. It now includes default if it wasn't played recently, a user chosen theme and random themes until there are 5 to choose from.
     
  35. PeeFive

    PeeFive Imma firin' mah lazah!

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    Yes Nevermind I love how it changed!
     
  36. Thrighragon

    Thrighragon To Slay a Samurai

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    (19:56:34) ±Game: I'm Kronos started a voting for next game's theme!. You have 30 seconds to vote with /start!
    (19:56:34) ±Game: Choose from these themes: mythology, default, lotr, players, hunger games !
    (19:56:34) ±Game: I'm Kronos voted for Mythology!
    (19:56:40) ±Game: LadyOfTheNight voted for Hunger Games!
    (19:56:41) Rust Maid: we did it
    (19:56:41) ±Game: iZombie voted for Mythology!
    (19:56:43) ±Game: Herro Kogent voted for players!
    (19:56:44) ±Game: Zeromare voted for Mythology!
    (19:56:45) ±Game: Tacowin voted for Mythology!
    (19:56:45) ±Game: Toadette voted for Mythology!
    (19:56:46) ±Game: Cecilia voted for Mythology!
    (19:56:47) ±Game: RageSuzaku voted for Mythology!
    (19:56:47) ±Game: pastramionbri voted for Mythology!
    (19:56:48) Herro Kogent: woo
    (19:56:49) ±Game: Flo o_o voted for Mythology!
    (19:56:49) ±Game: BladEtheFirsT voted for players!
    (19:56:50) Herro Kogent: players
    (19:56:50) iZombie: i tried to do /vote
    (19:56:51) ±Game: P5 voted for Mythology!
    (19:56:51) iZombie: lol
    (19:56:53) JenniferLopez: Why can't I join? o.o
    (19:56:54) ±Game: Oh So Innocent voted for Hunger Games!
    (19:56:56) ±Game: RiceKirby voted for LOTR!
    (19:56:56) Herro Kogent: lol
    (19:56:57) Yuymuko: :D
    (19:56:57) LadyOfTheNight: Rust Maid, future reference, voting yourself is bannable.~
    (19:56:57) ±Game: RockyRd voted for Mythology!
    (19:56:59) iZombie: do /start
    (19:57:00) ±Game: Porygonluva voted for Mythology!
    (19:57:02) Rust Maid: Ah
    (19:57:02) iZombie: name
    (19:57:02) ±Game: LadyHoliday voted for LOTR!
    (19:57:02) P5: jennifer vote first
    (19:57:04) I'm Kronos: :3
    (19:57:04) RiceKirby: Because Voting Phase, JenniferLopez
    (19:57:04) Theme mythology won with 12.

    (20:08:00) ±Game: RiceKirby started a voting for next game's theme!. You have 30 seconds to vote with /start!
    (20:08:00) ±Game: Choose from these themes: code lyoko, default, zelda, cursed, mafia channel !
    (20:08:00) ±Game: RiceKirby voted for Code Lyoko!
    (20:08:04) ±Game: Herro Kogent voted for Mafia Channel!
    (20:08:04) Rexking596 joined the channel.
    (20:08:05) ThatOneTrainer: yeaahh >:D
    (20:08:05) Herro Kogent: phew
    (20:08:07) Dark Law joined the channel.
    (20:08:11) ±Game: LadyOfTheNight voted for Zelda!
    (20:08:12) ±Game: SteelEdges voted for Code Lyoko!
    (20:08:12) SteelEdges: Nainil
    (20:08:12) ±Game: braveswin11 voted for Zelda!
    (20:08:14) Tanner5555: Why can't I vote Kid Icarus anymore?
    (20:08:14) ±Game: Lady Breloom voted for default!
    (20:08:14) ±Game: JenniferLopez voted for Zelda!
    (20:08:14) ±Game: Toadette voted for Zelda!
    (20:08:14) Cecilia: I am literally the worst Themis xD
    (20:08:14) ±Game: Porygonluva voted for Cursed!
    (20:08:14) Yuymuko: lol
    (20:08:15) ±Game: LadyHoliday voted for Cursed!
    (20:08:16) Not L: This is cool
    (20:08:16) Herro Kogent: You took a while :c
    (20:08:16) ±Game: Gabythemoogle voted for Cursed!
    (20:08:17) Lady Breloom: DEFAULT
    (20:08:17) ±Game: pastramionbri voted for Zelda!
    (20:08:18) ±Game: BladEtheFirsT voted for Mafia Channel!
    (20:08:20) ±Game: Not L voted for Zelda!
    (20:08:20) fitzyhbbe joined the channel.
    (20:08:20) ±Game: Wasabifold voted for Zelda!
    (20:08:21) ±Game: Flo o_o voted for Zelda!
    (20:08:23) ±Game: Tacowin voted for Zelda!
    (20:08:24) Not L: This is REALLY cool :D
    (20:08:24) ±Game: Tanner5555 voted for Code Lyoko!
    (20:08:24) ±Game: ThatAznDude voted for Zelda!
    (20:08:25) ±Game: Toadette changed their vote to Cursed!
    (20:08:26) ±Game: Cecilia voted for default!
    (20:08:26) Not L: Who thought of this?
    (20:08:27) Toadette: i want
    (20:08:29) JenniferLopez: I like this
    (20:08:30) ±Game: Nainil voted for Code Lyoko!
    (20:08:30) Toadette: black mage @ crused
    (20:08:31) ±Game: ThatOneTrainer voted for Zelda!
    (20:08:31) Toadette: l0l
    (20:08:32) ±Game: Cudder voted for Cursed!
    (20:08:32) ±Game: Zzyzx Road voted for Zelda!
    (20:08:34) Toadette: ;-;*
    (20:08:35) LadyOfTheNight: I agree, Not L/Jennifer Lopez.
    (20:08:35) RiceKirby: I tried, Nainil
    (20:08:36) Tacowin: I TOLD U BLACK
    (20:08:37) Theme zelda won with 11.

    (20:20:11) ±Game: GreenWater10 started a voting for next game's theme!. You have 30 seconds to vote with /start!
    (20:20:11) ±Game: Choose from these themes: default, duelist kingdom, mafia players, cursed, elements !
    (20:20:12) ±Game: ReDeads voted for Elements!
    (20:20:16) Malcriao left the channel.
    (20:20:18) ±Game: Toadette voted for Cursed!
    (20:20:19) ±Game: RiceKirby voted for Cursed!
    (20:20:19) ±Game: P5 voted for default!
    (20:20:20) ±Game: BladEtheFirsT voted for Cursed!
    (20:20:20) ±Game: Cecilia voted for default!
    (20:20:20) ±Game: Lady Breloom voted for Elements!
    (20:20:20) ±Game: JenniferLopez voted for Duelist Kingdom!
    (20:20:22) ±Game: ThatOneTrainer voted for Cursed!
    (20:20:22) ±Game: Not L voted for Duelist Kingdom!
    (20:20:23) ±Game: Bladethefirst2 voted for Cursed!
    (20:20:25) ±Game: Porygonluva voted for Cursed!
    (20:20:25) ±Game: kyuremkiller56 voted for Cursed!
    (20:20:26) ±Game: Medicham Man voted for Elements!
    (20:20:27) ±Game: Wasabifold voted for Elements!
    (20:20:27) ±Game: Xenocider18 voted for Cursed!
    (20:20:27) ±Game: pastramionbri voted for Duelist Kingdom!
    (20:20:28) GreenWater10: what is this?
    (20:20:28) ±Game: roysen55 voted for Duelist Kingdom!
    (20:20:28) ±Game: Black Kyurem voted for default!
    (20:20:29) ±Game: blazespot4 voted for default!
    (20:20:31) ±Game: Cudder voted for Cursed!
    (20:20:31) ±Game: Flo o_o voted for Duelist Kingdom!
    (20:20:32) ±Game: LadyHoliday voted for default!
    (20:20:32) ±Game: Gabythemoogle voted for Cursed!
    (20:20:33) Black Kyurem: default default
    (20:20:33) Lady Breloom left the channel.
    (20:20:35) RiceKirby: Voting System
    (20:20:38) Black Kyurem: default lezgo
    (20:20:38) Bladethefirst2: its a me tacowin
    (20:20:39) Xenocider18: this is voting for next game
    (20:20:40) ±Game: Shake Junt LEZ voted for Elements!
    (20:20:40) ±Game: anonymous13ify voted for default!
    (20:20:40) ±Game: Medicham Man changed their vote to default!
    (20:20:40) RJ is AFK changed teams and is now known as RedJoker25.
    (20:20:41) Yuymuko: how to choose?
    (20:20:42) ±Game: Flo o_o changed their vote to default!
    (20:20:42) ReDeads: When was there voting
    (20:20:42) Theme cursed won with 10.[/HIDE]

    Wow. 3 straight times a popular theme has won, although cursed may not be as popular as ele, so i guess ill have to give it SOME credit. Also, default needs a revive. Big time.
     
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  37. kyucumber

    kyucumber DNA Pin FTW

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    personally even though default is what got all this start (the channel) we really dont need it if we just add a reskin for default but thats not the point. Mafia is basically to learn the game and since we have Mafia Tutoring channel we really dont need default if people dont want it so I dont see many problems here other than Lamp gave me WAY TOO MUCH material to work with for my new signature.
     
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  38. GreenWater10

    GreenWater10 GreenWater10

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    I hate it for the same reasons as stated above.

    However, I will live with it if we can combine the voting phase with the join phaase. If those who voted could automatically join, that would be great. It would save 30 seconds. I don't know about you guys, but I came to the mafia channel just to play and have fun. I want my entertainment done fast. It's obvious that those who voted for a theme wants to join in next game, so why not?
     
  39. IceKirby

    IceKirby A.K.A. RiceKirby

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    I was willing to give this Voting idea a try since at least the idea is good, but now I'm too annoyed because only the cliched themes get started. But instead of only complaining, I'm going to give a nice suggestion.

    Revert to Free Start, and have Voting as an option enabled by MAs. So, during a game, a MA could use a command to make an announcement that the next theme will be decided by the Voting Method. Depending on how this is done, the voting could even be held during the current game.
    In some cases, we could have MAs choosing the themes that can be voted on, so this feature could be used to introduce new themes (MA gathers suggestions of themes that deserve some attention and add them to the list of candidates).

    Well, this is my suggestion. I didn't think throughly about it, so feel free to bash/complement/say it sucks/whatever.
     
  40. Tesla Elesa

    Tesla Elesa Almost Quality

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    Voting is a good idea in theory, but in practice, it disrupts the nature of the game itself.

    I agree with IceKirby. Voting should be retained as a MA command, with free start being the standard.
     
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