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  1. Professor Oak

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    I've given kokoloko permission to make a second account that I will have access to in order for him to be able to sort out the PO Awards easier and fairer.

    Last time around, he was nominated for several few of the awards that he should not have been nominated for purely because he made the PO Awards topics. He will admit this to you himself, as he did to me. Additionally, it will give him some extra PM room to work with regarding submissions, as he will not be forced to delete PMs he already has on his kokoloko account.

    I have asked kokoloko to share the password to the account with me, so that the account can be transferred to another user if necessary i.e. in the event of koko quitting, or similar events. I can share this password with the other global mods and the admins if necessary.

    Once the PO Awards is done for this year, the account could also be used for other things. As for what, we do not know. It could even just sit there for a year, waiting for its rare time to shine. It existing doesn't actually harm anyone, so I don't see why anyone would disagree to this.

    (This post is mainly here so that you don't ban koko or me for multiple accounts)
     
  2. Professor Oak

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    So the [IMP] clan keep giving me more reason to have them banned from PO.

    In Project NU:
    (00:19:00) kokoloko: so oak if i have evidence that the IMP clan is planning a hostile takeover of the PO awards
    (00:19:06) kokoloko: what are the proper steps to take?
    (00:19:15) +Professor Oak: Report to top dogs.
    (00:19:29) Galblade: but thats you isn't it Oak
    (00:19:29) kokoloko: k PMing you evidence then

    PM from koko:
    (00:19) kokoloko: http://i.imgur.com/j9TPm.png
    (00:19) kokoloko: given to me by key
    (00:20) kokoloko: so its trustworthy

    Image:
    [​IMG]

    So I PM Pearl.
    (00:22) Professor Oak: Get me the full channel chat of IMP please.
    (00:23) Pearl: http://pastebin.com/NHfWM7NW
    (00:23) Pearl: this is everything relevant
    (00:23) Pearl: they said on imp

    Pastebin contents:
    (00:19:44) -Donkey- Test Team: (19:18:57) kokoloko: so oak if i have evidence that the IMP clan is planning a hostile takeover of the PO awards
    (00:19:44) -Donkey- Test Team: (19:18:58) Professor Oak is idling.
    (00:19:44) -Donkey- Test Team: (19:19:03) kokoloko: what are the proper steps to take?
    (00:19:46) -Donkey- Test Team: well shit
    (00:19:52) TerrorGhoul: LOL
    (00:20:00) TerrorGhoul: how did you
    (00:20:01) TerrorGhoul: get that
    (00:20:09) -Donkey- Test Team: im allowed in pnu
    (00:20:14) TerrorGhoul: why
    (00:20:15) TerrorGhoul: lol
    (00:20:23) [IMP]Lenin: what is PNU
    (00:20:28) TerrorGhoul: project nu
    (00:20:31) [IMP]Lenin: oh
    (00:20:55) TerrorGhoul: he can't do anythin to us
    (00:21:00) [IMP]Lenin: Oak can
    (00:21:02) TerrorGhoul: no
    (00:21:02) -Donkey- Test Team: yeah
    (00:21:03) -Donkey- Test Team: lol
    (00:21:07) TerrorGhoul: he has nothing
    (00:21:13) TerrorGhoul: because it is in the end a vote
    (00:21:17) TerrorGhoul: if we belive who we chose
    (00:21:18) TerrorGhoul: should get it
    (00:21:21) TerrorGhoul: there is nothing he can do
    (00:21:29) TerrorGhoul: since it is our opinion
    (00:21:32) TerrorGhoul: because then what does that say
    (00:21:38) TerrorGhoul: we are not entitled to oru own opinions
    (00:21:39) TerrorGhoul: on PO?
    (00:21:45) TerrorGhoul: what is that


    So, I have a log of at least Zodiak and Marth conspiring to have the same nominations throughout the awards, Donkey being worried that we have evidence of them doing so, and Terrorghoul saying that we can't do anything cos it'd just be restricting their opinions.

    HOWEVER, I've had problems with [IMP] trying to take over things before. It is them that tried to rig a couple of the suspect votes for OU, leading me to restrict the method we used for the next couple of votes. I've personally had enough of them, and I think something should be done.

    I would like opinions.

    EDIT: Someone passed this onto me. It's a list of nominations the IMP clan are calling "Project #IMP". Nuff said.
    http://pastebin.com/5qDQUfjg
    [secret]*Remember, you cannot nominate yourself! Remove your names before submitting!

    Battling

    Best Ubers Player: Brandon, Donkey, Zephiell
    Best OU Player: Dice, Marth, Terrorghoul
    Best UU Player: 1996ito, Manaphy, Terrorghoul
    Best LU Player: Black Valor, Marth, May
    Best NU Player: Lenin, May, Rigas
    Best VGC Player:
    Best Little Cup Player: May
    Best DPP OU Player:
    Best ADV OU Player:
    Best GSC OU Player:
    Best RBY OU Player: Dr. Poke
    Best Forum Tournament Player:
    Best Server Tournament Player: Deria, Karppi, Zephiell
    Best Ladder Player: 1996ito, Donkey, Terrorghoul
    Best Team Builder: Intergalactic, Terrorghoul, Zodiak
    Most Influential Player: Ashton Michaels, Deria, Marth
    Most Gimmicky Player: Brandon, DSM01, Zodiak
    Most Intimidating Player: Dice, Pride, Smile
    Most Overrated Player: Eternal, HeroOfSinnoh, Jcpdragonx
    Luckiest Player: Eternal, HeroOfSinnoh, Jcpdragonx
    Best Overall Player: 1996ito, Denniss, Terrorghoul

    Community

    Best Avatar: 1996ito, Donkey, Hilda
    Best Signature:
    Best Custom Title:
    Best RMT Thread: Ashton Michaels, Dice, Soren Valenheart
    Best Tournament:
    Thread of the Year: Thundurus Thread
    Best Post:
    Best Quote:
    Biggest Fuck Up (event): POCL
    Best Nuzlocke Run:
    Best Contribution:

    Users

    Nicest User: Chuan, Fabian, Max
    Meanest User: AnneWintour, Kokoloko, Prof. Oak
    Wittiest User: Black Valor, Dr. Poke, Spencer
    Funniest User: Fabian, Rigaki, Spencer
    Most Helpful User: Black Valor, Keaton, Zodiak
    Most Useless User: Cloudy Cloud, Meh, Sadfthadsf
    Most Improved User: Chupistrufo, Noodlez, Mixtar
    Most Overlooked User: Cause and Effect, Superman4tw, White Wizard
    Most Persuasive User: Fabian, Smile, Zapdos
    Most Influential User: Fabian, Lenin, Zodiak
    Most Promising New User: HorsePWR, Juice, X Infiniti
    Most Awesome Veteran: Brandon, Denniss, Zodiak
    Up-and-Coming User: Intergalactic, Knight, Unchained
    Best Contributor:
    Best Artist: Fakestreet, Lenin, Zephiell
    Best Troll: Brandon, Donkey, Pride
    Best Forum Staff Member: Coyotte508
    Best Server Staff Member: Deria, Lamperi, Luck>Skill
    Best Tier Leader: 114, Deria, Luck>Skill
    Best Project Leader:
    Best Mafia Player:
    Best Team Rater:
    Most "Mad" User: Canttouchthis, Rigaki, Smile
    Biggest Fuck Up (User): Eternal, Jcpdragonx, Kokoloko
    Worst Username Change:
    Most Likely to be a Fake Girl: AnneWintour, Dice (A.K.A Princess Briii), Raikoo
    Most Likely to "Quit" Pokemon and Come Back a Week Later: AnneWintour, Noodlez, Tranceluverzz
    Most Likely to Ragequit PO and Never Come Back:
    Most Hated Authority Member: Eternal, Jcpdragonx, Prof. Oak
    Most Infamous User: Donkey, Pride, Tom Jane
    Most Missed Veteran: Keaton, Popsicle, Pride
    Best Competitive Pokemon Poster:
    Best General Chat Poster:
    Best Pokemon Chat Poster:
    Best Overall Poster: Iceydude
    Worse Overall Poster: Eternal, Kokoloko, Wilmer007
    Member of the Year: Iceydude, Noodlez, Yaytears

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    DO NOT SUBMIT THIS SECTION:
    114 - 1
    1996ito – 4
    Anne – 3
    Ashton Michaels – 2
    Black Valor – 3
    Brandon – 4
    Canttouchthis - 1
    Cause and Effect - 1
    Chuan – 1
    Chupistrufo - 1
    Cloudy Cloud - 1
    Coyotte508 - 1
    Denniss – 2
    Deria – 4
    Dice – 4
    Donkey – 5
    Dr. Poke - 2
    Dsm01 – 1
    Eternal – 5
    Fabian – 4
    Fakestreet - 1
    HeroOfSinnoh – 2
    Hilda – 1
    HorsePWR - 1
    Icey – 2
    Intergalactic - 2
    Juice - 1
    Jcp – 4
    Karpp – 1
    Keaton – 2
    Knight - 1
    Koko – 3
    Lenin – 3
    Luck – 2
    Mana – 1
    Marth – 3
    Max – 1
    May – 3
    Meh - 1
    Mixtar - 1
    Noodlez – 3
    Oak – 2
    Popsicle - 1
    Raikoo – 1
    Rigaki - 2
    Sadfthadsf - 1
    Smile – 3
    Soren – 1
    Spencer - 2
    Superman4tw - 1
    Terror – 5
    Tom Jane – 1
    Unchained - 1
    White Wizard - 1
    Wilmer – 1
    Yaytears – 1
    X Infiniti - 1
    Zapdos - 1
    Zephiell – 3
    Zodiak - 5[/secret]

    Further digging tells me the users involved in sending these nominations in:
    http://pastebin.com/FMA0fWHa

    Current forums users that have DEFINATELY sent that list of noms in:
    Donkey, Bolshevik, Tropius 4 Ubers, BlackValor, sadfthadsf, X infiniti, Fabian, Cloud Strife AC, TerrorGhoul, Soren Valenheart, Rigaki, Hilda, Keaton, denisss, Im_The_Devil.
     
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  3. pokemonnerd

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    Well, it's true in the sense that it is something that can be won by popular vote, and by extension you really can't knock people for "teaming up" to tip the awards into their favor unless one person uses multiple accounts. I guess you could ban everyone in IMP from voting on the grounds that it's ruining the awards for everyone besides them that's involved, if you think it's that much of a problem.

    On a side note I've been asking if we could just ban everyone in IMP for a long while now. They literally do nothing but inevitably cause trouble, and otherwise aren't very smart either, save two or three members.

    We also need to tell them Project NU isn't a clan.
     
  4. Groudon Ramsay

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    Nothing will need to be done to keep the awards intact, as about 70% of the people with ties to the IMP clan who have submitted nominations didn't qualify due to being too new.

    As for the clan, I say ban them all.
     
  5. marmoteo

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    I think banning all of them on the grounds of being annoying/stupid might create some serious backlash. My suggestion is to simply keep an eye on them and look for the slightest excuse to ban them as soon as they break any rules. As in, banning them as individuals, not as a group. The other suggestion would be to force them to disband whatever semblance of clan tags/association they have in the server and forums, punishing anyone who still advertises themselves as part of the group.

    As for them ruining the Awards - I agree with Pnerd. I don't think teaming up to vote for the same people is something that could be considered an offense. It's the same thing as a group of people teaming up to nominate/vote someone for a Well. I'm sure the IMP clan will not be the only group that will join forces to nominate people - other groups, whether they are clans, group of friends, and what not, will probably be doing the same. So long as they don't go publicly trying to advertise and persuade users to nominate IMP members, I think we'd be best to leave them alone. After all - are they even big enough to literally 'take over' the Awards? Sounds to me like some sort of Pinky and the Brain style of plan
     
  6. Professor Oak

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    We've already had 15 nominations from IMP members, all stating the same nominations (or at least very similar nominations) for every category. I have a feeling they won't be the last.

    I'm just sick and tired of members of that clan causing trouble all over the server - whether it be spamming, crashing users to get members to number 1 (I cannot prove that they were doing it on the PO server, but I know they have been on other servers), attempting to rig suspect votes in their favour or just being general pains in the arse. We've already had to ban several of their members for offenses (Dice aka princess brii and Pride aka BLM are 2 big examples), and several other members (Donkey) are on very thin ice as is.
     
  7. marmoteo

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    Oak so bloodlustful!

    My only concern is the reputation that we'll be getting for banning a whole clan over this. Hence my suggestion regarding keeping a close eye on them and banning them for small offenses under the premise that they've done 'far too much' by now. I just don't know how much of an offense the whole 'banding' together to nominate their own people is. Seems like something any clan would do
     
  8. Blastcore

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    I can get them banned without doing offensive things. :D

    I don't see why this wouldn't work. Piss them, get them to insult you = Profit! $$$
     
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    You do realize that pissing someone off is almost always trolling, flaming, or breaking some other server rule.
     
  10. Blastcore

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    I didn't exactly mean "piss". (When i read piss i think about skarmpiss lol). I don't know how to explain, but it's not exactly "pissing". Yeah i suck at explaning stuff, deal with it. :3

    And i wasn't refering to Flaming or trolling, i suck at both btw. Lol.

    Nevermind, i'm going to work on this :'(
     
  11. Serpentine

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    How about this: Taunting someone into getting angry at you, provoking them intentionally, etc is considered trolling or flaming.
     
  12. Blastcore

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    Nope. I wasn't referring to that either. Just leave it, re-reading the comments of marmoteo i don't think it would work as i don't see you can get people that groups for a votation banned.
     
  13. Elements

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    Or you guys could just ignore their nominations...
     
  14. pokemonnerd

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    But that would make sense.
     
  15. Lamperi

    Lamperi I see what you did there

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    Nah, let them team up. If they steal PO nominations then it is their problem. Really. Also it just proves how stupid they are >_>

    Also finally found out who are behind the PO Awards account :O
     
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    It's funny because none of those awards would be deserved. Besides, if the community sees the whole imp clan with PO awards, our credibility would fall.

    Anyway, I'm always in the IMP channel, I just rarely take a look at it, but I will from now on :3
     
  17. coyotte508

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    Like people in PNU aren't sharing nominations and all...?

    If they team up it's their problem. If they make alts of their accounts to get more vote, though, then action needs to be taken. Plus this is a nomination stage only, after the nomination stage there will be only 3 options to choose from for each category.
     
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    No, we have our own brains, something a lot of IMP members don't have, js

    Besides yeah, I don't see the harm in doing so, as long as they don't go around asking for votes/advertises their own choices, because it's obvious some groups are going to team up and vote the same people.
     
  19. Rigas

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    I don't see why action should be taken. It IS their right to team up and vote whoever they want, and they are not the only ones that are gonna do it.

    Also, how is this a "hostile takeover"???

    Finally:

    lol they are going to vote me for Best NU battler[/HIDE]
     
  20. coyotte508

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    lol
     
  21. Groudon Ramsay

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    I repeat:

    According to my source (KeyTrinity) they're going to bitch and ask for a recount if they don't win because I included a way to appeal to the whole "if you joined after November 1st you can't nominate" thing. However, none of them followed the instructions I gave so that holds no ground either. Therefore, I repeat once again, no action needs to be taken to protect the integrity of the event.

    PS: I only said ban them all because they annoy me, I wasn't being (too) serious.

    EDIT: yes, lol indeed @ above
     
  22. Weavile

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    I really got my hopes up for them getting banned reading this thread.
    Anyway. I don't think anyone else is quite stupid enough to use a group template for nominations. PNU people have strong enough opinions of their own, and I think that they'll have similar nominations but definitely not as similar as something that's templated like that.
    I think their votes should be discounted and that if they ask for a redo.... ignore them? It's not like we're 100% bound to give a crap what they say and if anyone asks just say they were intentionally rigging. Just title it ballot stuffing or something.
     
  23. Elements

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    Man, I wasn't even nominated :(
     
  24. Ginku

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    I feel your pain.

    That said idk what to do abut this situation. For one there's a clear difference between having similar nominations and having a group of people intentionally nominate exactly the same persons, but on the other hand I'm not sure if it's that big of a deal, especially since as koko said most of them aren't eligible to vote.
     
  25. Elements

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    How many nominations have been sent in anyway?
     
  26. Groudon Ramsay

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    Last time I checked, there was 38 and about half were from IMP dudes. I'll check again later today.

    Okay, just checked again. 6 more nominations, 4 were from IMP dudes.

    Also, I changed my mind, after realizing that over half the nominations were all the same template, I'm going to throw out every singe nomination that uses it. Even if they qualify in terms of being here long enough. What convinced me to do this is that even decent users, like -Meh, have been using it, so its clear that all IMP wants to do is sabotage the event. I wouldn't care so much if it was just them, but by submitting that bullshit template, good users are robbing themselves of an opportunity to make actual nominations.

    I also believe attempting to sabotage on official event is grounds for some sort of punishment, correct?
     
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  27. Lamperi

    Lamperi I see what you did there

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    We can host both PO Awards and IMP Awards
     
  28. Professor Oak

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    22 nominations using the IMP template have been forwarded from the PO Awards account to my own. I asked koko to forward them so I could keep track of how many there are.

    But seriously, I think this is really fucking stupid. I wouldn't mind so much if their nominations were all legitimate nominations... but Iceydude, Noodlez or YAYtears for member of the year? Check most of the awards, and you'll see that they've voted for IMP members that do not represent the PO community... at least they nominated me for most hated authority member!

    I'm glad koko is to discount them. This is just fucking stupid, and it's another thing that makes me fearful for the future of PO.
     
  29. Blastcore

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    I didn't got nominated so ban them. >:

    Lol.
     
  30. coyotte508

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    I tried talking to them about awards

    [secret](20:09:31) ZodiaK: hi coyo ;D
    (20:09:36) +coyotte508: hiya
    (20:09:40) +coyotte508: so yea
    (20:09:44) +coyotte508: i wanted to ask
    (20:09:45) [IMP]Pearl: back to ladder
    (20:09:47) TerrorGhoul: ?
    (20:09:48) [IMP]Pearl: terrorghoul
    (20:09:50) TerrorGhoul: YEA
    (20:09:53) TerrorGhoul: yeah*
    (20:09:55) [IMP]Pearl: po went down while i was being wrecked
    (20:09:56) +coyotte508: what's up with those award noms
    (20:09:57) [IMP]Pearl: on the loadder
    (20:09:57) [IMP]Pearl: !
    (20:10:02) TerrorGhoul: What do you mean
    (20:10:25) ZodiaK: what's wrong with our nominations
    (20:10:33) +coyotte508: Cubole Grunt Zeta (i think that's the name) even asked me to reactivate an account never used to post
    (20:10:41) +coyotte508: now i'm pretty sure it's for the awards :x
    (20:10:42) Fake123Street: What happened
    (20:10:45) TerrorGhoul: Well
    (20:10:58) ZodiaK: i know there's people that hate imp i.e. kokoloko that wants to discredit or members votes
    (20:11:14) TerrorGhoul: Do you guys frown upon us expressing our own opinions?
    (20:11:30) +coyotte508: If it's your own opinions no
    (20:11:33) +coyotte508: but
    (20:11:42) +coyotte508: Show your support for IMP by voting for the PO Awards with this answer sheet: http://pastebin.com/5qDQUfjg .
    (20:11:42) ZodiaK: its not opinion
    (20:11:48) ZodiaK: koko posted a log
    (20:11:54) ZodiaK: in here
    (20:11:58) ZodiaK: about him and oak
    (20:12:05) ZodiaK: about hostile take over
    (20:12:12) +coyotte508: if you ask to people to vote a pre-made sheet
    (20:12:14) Fake123Street: Zodiac, back
    (20:12:24) ZodiaK: yeah one moment fake
    (20:12:25) +coyotte508: it's hardly their opinion expressed in the noms
    (20:12:40) Fake123Street: It's a sheet with a default list, people can add / take what they want
    (20:12:58) +coyotte508: > To vote, remove your names from the list and send a PM on the Forums to "PO Awards"
    (20:13:00) Fake123Street: It makes sure people who may deserve recognition aren't missed because few know them.
    (20:13:15) Coke Bottle: i dont have an account on the forums T-T
    (20:13:18) Coke Bottle: sorry
    (20:13:30) ZodiaK: i wanted cubole zapdos to get his account back so he could vote but he told me his account was only made in december, which is after nov1st for the nominations so thats lame, but zapdos has been playing for over a year
    (20:13:31) ZodiaK: or something
    (20:13:34) Chester Turley: well that answer sheet should be deleted
    (20:13:50) Chester Turley: since it's not fair
    (20:13:50) Meh: cool story the topic keeps flashing me
    (20:13:50) +coyotte508: maybe you could make something like
    (20:13:59) Meh: coyotte :D
    (20:14:08) +coyotte508: a list of suggestions for the awards
    (20:14:17) +coyotte508: including more or less than three names for each
    (20:14:39) +coyotte508: and not convertible in one simple paste into the award noms submission form
    (20:14:44) [IMP]Pearl: yeah coyo is right your noms suck
    (20:14:47) [IMP]Pearl: cause if you ctrl + f them
    (20:14:51) [IMP]Pearl: and write pearl
    (20:14:53) [IMP]Pearl: you don't find anything
    (20:14:53) [IMP]Pearl: !
    (20:14:55) ZodiaK: personally, i don't see how there's any problems with our members that all know each other voting together
    (20:14:59) ZodiaK: its like elections
    (20:15:19) ZodiaK: the nominees will be the people who have aquired the most fans or votes for their party
    (20:15:23) Coke Bottle: ^^^
    (20:15:33) Coke Bottle: like do republicans have to vote for democrats?
    (20:15:41) Coke Bottle: they're free to vote for themselves
    (20:15:41) Meh: Pearl at least you weren't nominated for most useless .-.
    (20:15:44) +coyotte508: lol
    (20:15:45) ZodiaK: pearl, you havent been around for a while
    (20:15:47) Cubole Grunt Zapdos: :@
    (20:15:51) ZodiaK: and you start bad blood
    (20:15:52) Chester Turley: well, i think it's not fair since people can vote what they want
    (20:15:54) ZodiaK: with pnu
    (20:15:55) ZodiaK: kids
    (20:16:02) Sadfthadsf: Yeah, I was voted for most useless. D:
    (20:16:02) [IMP]Pearl: lol
    (20:16:08) Sadfthadsf: I'm crying forever.
    (20:16:09) Cubole Grunt Zapdos: Zodiak, how dare you call me a noob.
    (20:16:10) Cubole Grunt Zapdos: :c
    (20:16:17) ZodiaK: people read what they are voting for
    (20:16:27) Meh: Sadf is useless
    (20:16:27) ZodiaK: huh?
    (20:16:29) Meh: he stalks me
    (20:16:35) Sadfthadsf: I stalk everyone, js.
    (20:16:39) Meh: That's.. err... useful to make sure I'm not plotting against IMP!
    (20:17:09) ZodiaK: lol k
    (20:18:33) +coyotte508: (20:15:19) ZodiaK: the nominees will be the people who have aquired the most fans or votes for their party
    (20:18:48) +coyotte508: that's some logic, but i see a minor problem
    (20:18:56) ZodiaK: which is?
    (20:19:02) +coyotte508: well
    (20:19:14) +coyotte508: award list takes ages to think about and to fill out
    (20:19:23) ZodiaK: we spent a couple days
    (20:20:05) TerrorGhoul: You guys are forgetting the most important thing
    (20:20:10) TerrorGhoul: we are not forcing them to vote
    (20:20:13) TerrorGhoul: it's up to them
    (20:20:30) ZodiaK: honestly, i dont see a problem koko pm'd oak thinking we are taking over nominations, and then i pm'd oak later and he said we wouldnt be cheated
    (20:20:42) ZodiaK: http://pastebin.com/5nFaHDEz
    (20:20:43) ZodiaK: log
    (20:21:24) ZodiaK: http://pastebin.com/NHfWM7NW
    (20:21:25) ZodiaK: also
    (20:21:31) ZodiaK: coyotte508
    (20:21:39) +coyotte508: yea
    (20:22:13) ZodiaK: again, i dont know if you're up to date
    (20:22:15) ZodiaK: but yesterday
    (20:22:25) ZodiaK: all of the PNU people started flooding our channel
    (20:22:35) +coyotte508: do you have logs?
    (20:22:47) +coyotte508: if you have logs and wish to make a complaint
    (20:22:53) ZodiaK: i'm sure donkey
    (20:22:55) ZodiaK: has them
    (20:22:59) Coke Bottle: who's PNU?
    (20:23:00) +coyotte508: since this is yesterday, make it in disciplinary committee
    (20:23:05) Meh: Project Neverused
    (20:23:11) Coke Bottle: oh ok
    (20:23:25) ZodiaK: i don't care but it's a reflection of their mentality
    (20:23:28) MixTar: Coyotte
    (20:23:29) Joe@Testing: What is PNU though? what's the meaning of that channel?
    (20:23:31) ZodiaK: that they have bad blood towards us
    (20:23:40) +coyotte508: well if you post those logs i'll probably get hated even more by them
    (20:23:40) ZodiaK: and because they are "handling" nominations
    (20:23:45) Meh: Project Neverused >_>???
    (20:23:46) ZodiaK: they want to fuck with us
    (20:23:47) +coyotte508: oak and kokoloko[/secret]

    Last line referring to saying that oak and kokoloko are handling awards, not PNU.

    (Nice log i got here :D http://pastebin.com/5nFaHDEz)

    If the members are part of the forums they have the right to vote. I suggest removing votes from accounts with 0 posts - no leaking about that anywhere - from the votes, so all legimate forum users still have their vote counted. If that's done, and can't be outweighed even with awards being advertised on server announcement, then that means not many users care about awards - and the one who do won. Other suggestion: count 3 nominations having 1/3rd of the value each, 2 having 1/2 of the value each. It also deals with the problem.

    Checking the submissions:
    - Most of the noms are PNU noms or IMP noms
    - I don't think POCL as biggest fuck-up is a joke nomination
    - Terrorghoul doesn't use imp's list !
    - some made edits
    - Several Imp submissions have 0 or 1 post
    - Several imp submissions are too recent

    Some imp submissions have been made by active community members, it wouldn't be fair to discount them.

    Anyway a list of measures that should be taken, apart from removing too recent subs which is already done:

    - remove nominations with 0 posts on the forums, except *maybe* for battling noms / Make the 'joined before' a 'posted before' rule
    - Give nominations more value if there's only one or two - lots of users gave only one suggestion for several of the noms.
    - advertise nominations more: There's mostly PNU and IMP members voting, it's not normal. The first reaction should not be "remove IMP noms" but "make a bigger part of the community take part in awards". For example don't make the post with noms as post 149 of the thread without linking to it in the OP - or better, editing it in. And don't make it unquotable, so users can keep bold. And maybe make some announcements in server chat. Whatever you need to do to make it more popular.

    It should be fine like this. Of course there measures to be taken are merely suggestions.

    Meh is actually an active member of the IMP channel. (and that doesn't mean he's not a decent user)

    Well see the above. That doesn't mean that I agree with your logic if you find another example - they're not attempting to sabotage the awards, they're trying to win it.
     
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    I just want to point out that:

    (20:22:15) ZodiaK: but yesterday
    (20:22:25) ZodiaK: all of the PNU people started flooding our channel

    is completely untrue.
     
  32. Lamperi

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    "- Give nominations more value if there's only one or two instead of three - lots of users gave only one suggestion for several of the noms."

    This would have to added into the rules. Otherwise it does not make sense.
     
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    I'm not making any rule edits right now. If, and only if, I am forced to I will count the nominations from used who joined before November 1st and have more than 5 posts. However, if this is the case, I will no longer be hosting the awards in the following years.
     
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    I think these rules are just impractical. Koko isn't getting paid for this and if you add all these constraints it's just gonna make it a massive task for little gain and as he said, it probably won't get done in future. Although I don't get making the template impossible to copy, wtf is that?. I think a Nominations Open thread might be a good idea.
     
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    *The 0 post one isn't more impractical than the november one*. That's half the suggested stuff.

    Lamperi said he could do a script that does 90% of the work, so no problem there.

    The main point of the measures in my post is that more effort should be put towards the PO awards being made popular - as the most nominations are from PNU and IMP members currently.
     
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    That's really only due to the fact that ~90% of the people who go on the server rarely, if ever, go on the forums. Plus the fact that most people that regularly go on the forums hang around PNU, and most everyone else either doesn't care enough or is procrastinating. Or hasn't sent in their nominations for whatever other reason, like me. I would agree with advertising them, but the thing is most people couldn't vote anyway for reasons just stated.

    The reason for the "no sending in nominations if you haven't joined before November" rule is because these are supposed to be awards for last year. It would be completely pointless to allow someone who just joined yesterday or extremely late last year to nominate anyone for anything because they haven't even been here for most of the year. It's not really impractical as much as it makes sense as a rule.

    If you look at the people who normally post on the forums(at least a post every couple of days or something) and the people who have sent in nominations, I'm sure you'll find that it's quite normal. What would be abnormal is if we had a bunch of people with ~5 posts suddenly nominating people for these awards.
     
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    Hey I agree with that rule - I was responding to weavile.

    Anyway I don't agree that nothing can be done for the awards. I'll put a forum notice/announcement about PO awards.
     
  38. pokemonnerd

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    Oh. I knew I was misinterpreting something. Sorry.
     
  39. Professor Oak

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    Yeah, I told Zodiak I'd check all nominations to make sure they were valid and were not being thrown out for no reason. I'm a fair person the majority of the time.

    That doesn't mean I agree with what they are doing.
     
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    I hope you vote me. Just sayin. Oak will pay you. jk :3

    Most "Mad" User: This award should go to the member of the community who constantly seems to get upset about and overreact to the smallest things.

    ^ Hahahaa lol.
     
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