[HGSS] Salamence Uber On Po?

Discussion in 'Past Gens Discussion' started by TheBossAaron, Jul 16, 2010.

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Salamence For Uber On Beta?

Poll closed Jul 26, 2010.
  1. No Salamence Stays OU

    6 vote(s)
    33.3%
  2. Yes Salamence For Uber

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  1. TheBossAaron

    TheBossAaron New Member

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    Well for most of us we are all well aware of salamence being uber because of smogon. Beta is the most popular server on po will Mence be made uber on beta aswell??I personally think mence should stay ou
     
  2. coyotte508

    coyotte508 Well-Known Member Administrator Server Owner Administrator Server Owner

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    I don't think salamence is uber already.
     
  3. TheBossAaron

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    its still in voting and so far its going to be uber :/
     
  4. Tonico

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    Salamence is obviously NOT uber. It's too frail with SS+Life Orb and it does not shred too many teams apart, just the noob ones. Many smogonites say that it is Uber, primarily because: they couldn't handle one. Salamence is unique in a sense that it can carry a Dragon, Fire, and Ground attack all in 1 moveset without losing any power. Thus the MixMence set. This set is well known for it's coverage in OU. HOWEVER, keep in mind that it does not tear apart teams that easily. Firstly, Stealth Rock. Salamence could not switch in and out as many times as other pokemon due to having a stealth rock weakness. In order to have a successful Salamence sweep, one's team must have a reliable rapid spinner. Second, Ice Shard. Seriously. This thing scares Salamence back into it's Poke'ball =) Actually, any ice attack will do, as long as you can outspeed or survive a hit from Salamence. Another thing to note is that Salamence needs ALOT of team support just to fulfill a sweep. As an avid Salamence user, I would say that it's not as easy as it looks to pull off a Salamence sweep. It's not like Breloom where you can just switch in, Spore, then get out. Another thing to note is that smogonites try to make Salamence look bulky enough for ubers, by making silly, uninnovative sets such as FatMence, WishMence, etc.

    So I would say that Salamence is NOT UBER. At least here on PO, where there are different standards, different pokemon, and different playing styles. Salamence isn't as bad as Garchomp and can easily be stopped with the right SKILLS.
     
  5. Elements

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    We have been sticking with Smogon tiers since the beginning so I think we should continue to do that.
     
  6. Erebos

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    I am quite against Salamence being Uber, for a number of reasons. greatest of which is that gen 5 is on our doorstep. And elements, we have been sticking with smogon tiers because there weren't enough data to make our own. For now it is better for us to continue following smogon. when gen 5 is released, I think that we should make our own tiers with EtE's data.
     
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  8. coyotte508

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    If we wanted to keep it OU we would need to have a great deal of thought about it, thought on how the metagame would change, and a lot of things that smogon did and we didn't. Personnally i'm too much in the programming to dwelve myself the metagame and build efficient competitive teams, to estimate what EVs, nature and moveset an opponent has by taking a single it (without damage calculator), to play serious mind games like i sometimes did back in third gen, to explore all the kind of teams (standard OU, mixed OU/NU, weather teams, screen teams, baton pass teams, stall teams, ...), well i'm far from knowing the metagame deeply enough to make a decision. I trust that the smogon council has such players, and that they thought thoroughly about the metagame consequences.

    That's why salamence is going to uber. Maybe for 5th gen tiering there'll be a mechanism on PO that will easy all kinds of analysises, and a structure set up with the community, and we'll be able to build tiers for the Beta Server only (yes any server can choose their tier).

    I hope you guys understand what I'm saying and read my post in full.
     
  9. AndyRease

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    I agree with coyotte508, I do not believe that we have an organized system of qualified players that can say anything about if Salamence is Uber or not. 5th is right round the corner and when it comes out we will be a bigger, more organized community.
     
  10. Professor Oak

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    I'm just posting to let you know that this poll will have no affect on the tiering of Salamence. It's going to be Uber on the Beta Server, regardless of the result.
     
  11. Ice-eyes

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    The question is not, 'Should Salamence be Uber?' The question is, 'Should PO be just another smogon breakaway community?' PO would likely lose a lot of players if Mence wasn't Uber and it would become just another NetBattle.

    Debates on Salamence are now pointless - there were dozens of pages of people presenting the same arguments over and over. Let's not have that again here.
     
  12. pokemonnerd

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    This really doesn't have much of a point anymore. Salamence is uber on Smogon now, and it's been changed to uber on the sim. Anyway, I just looked at the analysis and Mence looks pretty solid in ubers. Not that it matters.
     
  13. 1PlayNude

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    The first thing that smogon says is "Using Salamence in Ubers may seem odd."

    If by SOLID you mean that Salamence has been banished to a far away realm. Prisoner to ubers, and to never see the light of day. Then Yes i would have to agree w/ you.

    This is just a sad sad subject. We should finish this topic by Scilence.

    Eternal Scilence to pay our respects.
     
  14. Cpt. Falcon

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    (this post is a thought in silence do not read) i say we follow smog until we are out of beta...
     
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  15. pokemonnerd

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    (this is a thought in silence as well) I forgot, sarcasm is hard to display on the interwebs.
     
  16. Hodou Masaka

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    Alright, first of all, Salamence is only "odd" in Ubers because it's outclassed by Rayquaza.

    And second, and most importantly, *deep breath*

    ABILITY IN UBERS DOES NOT DETERMINE PLACEMENT IN UBERS.

    UBERS PLACEMENT IS DETERMINED BY ABILITY IN OU.

    UBERS IS THE OU BANLIST, AND IT ONLY HAS ITS OWN METAGAME BECAUSE PEOPLE REALLY LIKE QUICK BATTLES WITH SHINY POWERFUL THINGS.

    It DOES NOT MATTER if Salamence is good in Ubers or not! How often do you see Garchomp in Ubers?

    Thirdly, you are acting far too sentimental. Tiering is decided purely on statistics. If you're sad that Sally went to Ubers because it was one of your favorites and you really want to keep using it in OU, you simply don't have the right mindset to even discuss this kind of thing. Get over it.

    [/end angry rant]

    Moving both Latias and Salamence to Uber was, in my opinion, the right choice. Salamence centralized the metagame in a way few recognized -- he didn't ruin most of the "top OU" teams, but what he did do was make it nearly impossible to make a UNIQUE team, since every team needed to be built on the foundation of surviving a Salamence assault.

    Nonetheless, this thread is pointless. As much as I don't like sticking directly to Smogon's tiers, they are the most widely recognized tier list and we simply do NOT have the resources to even BEGIN making our own.
     
  17. 1PlayNude

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    Garchomp is used alot in ubers. it does really well. its one of the only pokemon who can take out a dragon dance rayquaza. w/o priority ice

    But your right tis thred is pointless. Salamence is now an uber. End of story
     
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