Well, there are alot of stallers. Alot of good ones too. But i'd say some of the best have to be Ferrothorn, Gliscor, Fortress. Ferrothorn because of just everything. It can set up leech seed which is always annoying and protect. Fortress because it can set up spikes and stealth rock and you won't be able to because they usually carry rapid spin. And Gliscor will just toxic stall. I use Gliscor and it does very well. Post your favorite staller and why.
Gliscor and chansey are the most annoying stallers, then comes the ever annoying ferrothorn. and what a surprise the former two build a great core to check and counter much threats of the metagame.
Ferrothorn is the single most annoying thing to ever happen to Pokemon. Bless the arcane powers that be that he keeps his filthy face out of the lower tiers. On a completely unrelated note, those who run Eviolite Ferroseed/Frillish deserve to be insta-banned.
Best staller has to be Blissey. It takes a lot of work to slog through over 400 n00b pokemon, tons of new moves, items, and abilities, and even survive the special/physical split while still coming out as one of the best go-to walls in every gen that it's a part of. My favourite wall, though, is Blaziken. Walling every pokemon by disallowing its ability to attack through enormous HP loss! Yeah!
Dusclops. Huge defenses, Pressure, immune to a lot of moves, pain split to be a douche, will o wisp to neuter physical attackers can't really say anything other than trolololo
Indeed. I've come up with some decent special walls in the Create-A-Pokémon Kitchen, but even with their titanic Special Defense stats on par with the Physical Defense of Forretress, Onix, Cloyster, and Steelix (Sabiowl, Anthanine, Lediva, and Groinxin, respectively), none of them match (or even come close to) the titanic Special Tankiness of Blissey (460.8706... holy crap that is incredible!) Add in reliable recovery, and hoo boy, Blissey can take Special Attacks all day. Of course, even with Blissey's massive HP, its Physical Tankiness still sucks... Blaziken, on the other hand... as much as I've loved Blaziken ever since starting off with a Torchic in Pokémon Ruby... Infernape has better defenses than Blaziken. (The difference is very slight, but it's there.) I do hope you're joking, because Blaziken's not a wall, it's a sweeper. (Or a wallbreaker if you're running Blaze instead of Speed Boost, as Blaziken's Base Speed just isn't good enough to get the jump on most OU Pokémon.) Yes, even without a boost, its Base 130 Attack is going to leave big holes in most opponents; Flare Blitz and Close Combat will do loads of damage, and Brave Bird for coverage is icing on the cake. But those three moves tend to result in their user going down ridiculously fast. Indeed. Poor HP would normally be a bad thing for a wall, but with Pain Split, Dusclops can turn that into a benefit. I can just imagine the epic rage that ensues when Dusclops uses Pain Split on Blissey. Honestly, I don't see what all the hype about Eviolite Chansey is. Yes, Chansey's doubled Base Special Defense is much greater than Blissey's Base Special Defense (allowing for greater Special Tankiness even with 5 less Base HP), but Chansey's Base Defense is 5. Blissey's Base Defense is 10. 5 * 2 = 10. Ergo, doesn't Eviolite Chansey have equal Physical Defense to Blissey? I'm baffled by the claims that Eviolite Chansey can be adequate in terms of taking physical attacks.
Genesect. Because, awesome. I hate Genesect though, personally.. edit oh I thought it said best "seller" not best staller.. Best staller is Snorlax.
Use calculator. Chansey max defence at L100: 109 / 119 (Bold) Blissey max defence at L100: 119 / 130 (Bold) The base difference of 5 turns into difference of 10 stat points when at level 100. The most of the defence comes from IVs (exactly 31 points for neutral stat), and EVs (exactly 63 points for neutral stat). 10+31+63+5 makes 109, and the last 5 are the base stats at level 1/0(can't remember), which are 5 for all stats except 10 for HP). Then multiply 119*1.5 and get 178.5. That's almost 50 stat points more than Blisseys max def, with 10 points less HP.
If we're cool and assume Rapid Spin is reliable for a minute, its easy to conclude the best all-around wall in the metagame is Multiscale is a bitch.
252Atk +1 Dragonite (+Atk) Outrage vs 4HP/252Def Eviolite Multiscale Porygon2 (Neutral): 29% - 34% (93 - 109 HP). Indeed. PG2 is probably my favourite real wall, since tracing Multiscale can result in walling whole teams.
For me, 2nd place goes to Snorlax. CurseSnorlax is the don in Gen 2, and is only slightly worse in Gen 3. Gen 4 might have been a miss because it couldn't keep up with the power crep, but you try and find a better Special wall than RestTalk Whirlwind Snorlax in Wifi UU. (inb4 koko / br / Pearl / jcp / others) Suicune comes in with first place. In GSC, you could not OHKO hit with an unboosted attack that was not BOOM - and even then, it survives Exeggutor's Explosion. In fact, at max HP, only Snorlax's Selfdestruct and Golem's Explosion can OHKO it. THAT is the sheer bulk of Suicune. And yes, I did calculate Zapdos' Thunder. It survives. Then Gen 3 came around, and CroCune dominated. Not only could it now stall into next week, it could beat anything that isn't Raikou, Zapdos or a Water Absorb user - or Calm Mind / Psych Up Blissey and Regice. Even then, if it dropped Sleep Talk for Roar, it could beat Raikou to the CM race, and Roar out Regice and Blissey in order to beat them. Suicune wasn't as good in Gen 4 as it was completely unchanged, whereas the increase in power and new Pokemon caused more problems, just like with Snorlax. Toxic Spikes and Stealth Rock helped though. However, Gen 5 brought it its best tool yet - Scald. 15 Base Power less for a 30% chance to burn the opponent, aiding in stalling out anything, especially Physical Pokemon that could beat Suicune? gg Honourable mentions: SkarmBlissClops, Pory2 @ Eviolite. btw, I was assuming we're ignoring Ubers. With Ubers, it's a toss up between Giratina and Lugia. I'd give it to Lugia, just cos I like it more.
1-up on Oak's Lugia call. Lugias are airplanes. You can't beat an airplane with a Pokemon. (or can you?) I like mine with Roost, Ice Beam, Toxic and Psychic/Surf. Psychic for STABvious reasons.
wut. No one has said my favorite staller by far. Cradily. yes. Cradily gets; Toxic, stockpile, and recover. A dangerous Combination. Of course. It gets those moves, making it dangerous to all non steel/poison types. :P It makes the best staller. Recover obviously heals yourself, Toxic to poison(not for steel/poison types). Stockpile raises your defenses, obviously walling most non-ice type moves, gradually killing the opponent. STAB Energy ball is the only way to go, killing the opponent on the way. and finally, the ability, STORM DRAIN. Why Storm Drain? Raise SpAtk, and wall Water types without Ice type coverage. GG Pokemon.
I have to say Chansey with Eviolite just because the pokemon can take so much and still keep coming at you >.<
i always love the bulky flying types (lugia in ubers, skarm in ou and mandibuzz in lu) but im suprised no-one has mentioned the beast known as CRESSELIA. cress is so damn bulky and apparently it was nu for a while !!! ([29/11/2011 18:48:02] Rigas: It used to be NU, but it was banned.) i would say that most bulky waters deserve a mention weather it be vaporeon, suicune, slowbero, milotic they all do a great job or walling and stalling but overall i would say chansey just beacuse it takes every hit apart from phyical fighting hits. and when people try to hit it with moves like earthquake, you can counter in the face to OHKO them.
I'd say best overall staller is Lugia - multiscale[dw], roost, sub, whirlwind, great stats, has everything you want . For OU, Evo Chansey - walls plenty of threats and has a great support move-pool, it's the glue of many stall teams.
Y U NO mention suction cups???!?!? You can get to 3+ defences, an not get roar/whirlwhinded out. Suction cups>storm drain for cradily imo. oh and almost every special water type carries ice type coverage anyways, so storm drain isnt really that amazing. But yes, it stalls amazingly, but also rest works better, as it takes almost any non supereffective hit easy as pi on 3+, and rest means it can stay in even when toxic'd
Cresselia and Gastrodon are the best stallers. Gastrodon has a nice HP/Sp. Def while Cresselia is all around bulky as hell. Can anyone say Toxicstall? gg
I think one of the main things going for Storm Drain Cradily is that Scald cannot burn it if it cannot hit it. Of course, they'd soon follow up with Toxic or Ice Beam, but still.
For Lugia, it's actually pretty hard to pick between Pressure and Multiscale. On 1 hand, Multiscale is Multiscale. On the other, it's so awesome to PP drain Zekroms and the like with SubRoost and Twave..
Pressure > Multiscale if you're keeping only Zekrom in mind, considering Teravolt negates the latter.
@Mattster But SUBPARASHUFFLE D: Anyways, outside of Lugia (who is ridiculously badass in design, stats, AND movepool), Skarmory is definitely up there. Has everything a wall could want (aside from a somewhat more useful ability): Healing, great typing, great stats, hazards, Taunt if it feels like it, and to me, most importantly, phasing. It's too bad I suck at using it.
I didn't know it was possible to suck at using Skarm... outside of being an idiot and letting them get a Magnet Puller out on it.
@Meteor As a general rule, anything that's in the top 20 Pokemon is generally a Pokemon I'm bad at using. XD Latios, Salamence, Dragonite, Ferrothorn, even Blaziken when it was still allowed were all Pokemon I tried and failed at. :P It even extends to UU, where I could never get Donphan, Hitmontop, Heracross, Victini, or Shaymin to ever really pull their weight.
Yeah, and getting in on obv special attacks. I suck at using most of the top OU pokemon. Meh. ppl just bring a counter to every one of them.
Quagsire stalls with Unaware + Stockpile. Period. Pro Tip: 1. Equip it with Mail. 2. Have Rest > Recover. 3. Avoid Grass-types.
Chansey with Eviolite can comfortably take any type of attack (besides Physical Fighting-type attacks)comfortably if it has a Defensively-oriented Nature. If it has a Special Defense-oriented Nature, then it will actually have more Special bulk than Blissey...which is just outstanding. Along with that, it learns moves that recover its own HP if needed, as well as moves that cure any status ailments it may have. The aforementioned make Chansey with Eviolite a serious problem to a Trainer's team if they lack a powerful Fighting-type move(s) to deal with it.
My favorite staller actually has to be mewtwo In OU I'd say chansey or perhaps dragonite... there are a lot of choices In UU Zapdos In LU Slowking and in NU aerodactyl